Gay couples to be paid more to offset higher tax

But they didn't stay, so no impact on our morality or values.

They also didn't tell a lot of people -- neither did the Basques, who fished the Grand Banks.

 

....you really don't want to discuss the OT's take on homosexuality do you? Better steer away from the Judeo aspect. It's more hard core than the NT.

And we live in a JUDICIAL republic. I know it wasn't intended that way, but that's the new America.

 

My Native friends would be interested in your viewpoint about that.

So if we're discarding the Constitution as a marker of our shared ethics and morality, what, pray tell, gives your pilgrim visitors a claim to America's ethics and morals ahead of, say, the Native Americans who were already here?

 

I meant the Vikings didn't stay, or tell enough people about their find.

I'm happy to hear the case for how Native American values influenced ours. Make it.

 

Discarding the fact that you haven't made any case, yet, just stated something patently absurd as sui generis:

The Seven Nations confederacy heavily influenced our first attempt at establishing a nation.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

You keep talking about the founding of the nation and/or the government.

The discussion was about values & morality.

 

Nope. Just not going to get into a silly argument with you.

 

Now, I would bet "Mark" was baptized and made his First Communion.

And, I'll bet he heard about God, Jesus, and the 10 Commandments long before he ever heard of Plato.

True?

So, what shaped your values, Mark?

If Plato is so vital to out values, why didn't your parents teach you about him?

 

You know fuck all about me, which makes me, well, like most other subjects under the sun, I guess.

And they did.

And you truly have nothing. But for the record, the idea that the values and ethics of this country are independent of the Constitution has to be the most flabbergasting statement I have ever heard.

Just because your history knowledge stopped at second grade Sunday school doesn't mean everyone else's did, or should.

Also, not for nothing, but I don't use "Judeo-Christian values" because most -- if not all -- of the Jewish people I know think that entire concept is pure poppycock.

 

They taught you about Plato before God?

And, what age did they break out Plato?

 

Is your reasoning always this poor?

By your logic, the tooth fairy is the most important shared value of Western civilization.