Glavine, Maddux & Smoltz

Well, if you want to say that and disregard the longevity, then take it account the stats where Morris has the advantage. IMO, he has a 4-2 advantage in the stats that really matter (CG, SHO, WHIP, K/BB vs IP and ERA).

 

Morris vs. Glavine isn't even debatable. Morris never even had a season with an ERA under 3.00.

 

Maybe I should break it down so you can see it better...

Morris - CG, SHO, WHIP, K/BB
Glavine - IP, ERA

I know CGs and SHOs are compiled, but when a player can have those kind of numbers in four less season, they deserve to be there. Just like I am counting Glavine's IP.

So yes, I do care to try again and I think I explained it a little better this time.

 

Overlooked on the thread so far is that Smoltz will almost certainly surpass 3,000 strikeouts before April is over (he has 2,975), a remarkable number considering the stint in the bullpen.

 

I'm just using the stats you provided to make a case for Morris. I am not a Morris fan by any stretch or a Glavine-hater, but I appreciate baseball.

 

Strikeouts, you say?

Say, who has the most K's without being in?

That's as close as I'll come until it's near voting time again, I promise.

 

Smoltz is an oddball case to me. He's been a great pitcher and an important pitcher and one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time. On the other hand, how many seasons does he have that you look at and say, "Wow, that's a Hall of Fame season?" 1996, sure. 2003? ok

After that, there's not many. Plenty of nice, 16-9, 15-11 years, a 17-3 season in an injury year.

He probably gets in because ESPN has anointed him a Hall of Famer and he's not a bad pick, but I'm not convinced he's any better a candidate than a dozen other guys who won't get in.

 

Smoltz's dominance was always underplayed because of the fact he pitched behind Glavine and Maddux. The guy is an absolute lock to get in.

 

What he said (since he can definitely argue this stuff better than I can). And unlike buckweaver, I hated those Braves teams.

 

Yeah, yeah, I know about Joe Carter and the Division titles.