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Go Black People! (Well, Black Coaches)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Almost_Famous, Jan 21, 2007.

  1. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Shotty don't hold your breath. The con man really has no way to answer you.
     
  2. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    I already did answer him Kramer.
     
  3. kingcreole

    kingcreole Active Member

    I like how Yawn turns every thread into a political argument.
     
  4. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    I think he's very unhappy. He probably needs a hug.
     
  5. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    Yawn can't be unhappy. He's the funniest man in the world.
     
  6. You are being very intolerant of Yawn's intolerance.
     
  7. kingcreole

    kingcreole Active Member

    That's not very tolerant of you to say that. Damn Libs ...
     
  8. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    Yeah exactly,

    Thanks SG.

    Look, how many of you guys and gals get pissed at TO or whoever when they celebrate a TD or something "no class...act like you have been there".

    Well, same here - act like you have been there AND WILL BE GOING BACK.

    Two examples that should make the point.

    1.) Philadelphia Eagles - how much hand wringing is going on in sports rooms and certain corners right now over the possible QB controversy now that Jeff Garcia did so well (6 for 7 was it?) & McNabb was supposed to be the "black superman QB, THE Franchise, McNabb vs TO, McNabb vs Rush, etc, etc."?

    Answer - a lot. We have already seen the stories. Now here is another Q - how many Eagles fans give a s@@@ about that story = almost none. I have family from that area and lived in PA for a while. All most eagles fans care about is why they lost that game to the Saints and how can they spend that friggin $15M they are under the cap to get some talent around Garcia, McNabb or whoever to win. That's it. Moreover, props to Garcia for kicking as@ at 36.

    2.) When you make it all about race YOU TAKE AWAY Dungy's & LS's accomplishment in some manor. You make it seem like it was special or they needed some help, maybe some extra weight on the scale to get/keep the job, etc. instead of letting their own accomplishment stand on its own. Do you think anyone MISSED the fact that they were black. We all get it but shoving it down our throats makes it seem like they have nothing to offer beyond that & perhaps did not earn it.

    Look, the same thing happened to me in law school. I am half-Hispanic & half- White. Well, at an elite law school like Berkeley people are REAL competitive and there are always long knives out and whisper campaigns.

    Anyway, a lot of people were jealous of me for a lot of reasons most typically becuase I was doing fun things outside of school and would not conform to their way of thinking (liberal views, race politics, no life beyond school, etc.).

    Right, so one of the vile weapons used against me was the affirmative action card & my race. That somehow I did not earn it, etc. Now it did not matter that I had a higher IQ than almost anyone there (one student I know had the same), higher LSAT scores, strong grades, impeccable recommondations, broad successful experience, been a great athlete, was very politically active at a high level, had a lot of community service, and had already taken a law school class at Berkeley as and UNDREGRAD and got an A, etc. In short I was HIGHLY qualified.

    Nor did it matter that got honors in many of my law school classes and straight A's in all of my MBA classes I was taking simultaneously, or the fact that I got scholarhsips to 16 of the top 20 law schools. Nor finally, did it matter that I got a job at the number one firm in the country in my field in the top department.

    No, all anyone who wanted to take a shot at me wanted to talk about was my race - but see I never did.

    By talking about my race it was their way of diminishing me and explaining away my success when I was different then them but kept winning. See race was never an issue for me - people are people to me & I am just John (but I am proud of my culutres).

    Many years and hundreds of deals later now no one talks about my race. My ability and credentials speak for themselves.

    My point is you may be well intentioned with your stories and focus on race - but in reality I think you are hurting Tony and LS.

    Let them act like they have been there.
     
  9. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    John does it bother you at all that the NFL has not made more of an effort to attract hispanic players and coaches?
     
  10. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    No, Chuck. Really, you didn't address what I asked you. You just swung the clenched fist a little more.

     
  11. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    From Boom above

    "John does it bother you at all that the NFL has not made more of an effort to attract hispanic players and coaches?"
    ________________________________________________________________________

    Hey Boom,

    Nope.

    I mean on the one hand it seems weird right. Lots of Hispanics in America and lot of good athletes, but I don't look at things that way.

    But, let me rephrase the Q&A perhaps to give a better answer.

    To me racism is dumb, even if your in the "power position" or "majority" or whatever it is empirically and demonstrably self-defeating.

    Meaning that if I am an employer, say the NFL, and only look at certain candidates - say White, or Black, Green, or Martian then by definition I am limiting my applicant pool and therefore talent pool.

    In a highly competitive field where wins & losses are all that ultimately matters - that is a recipe for pure disaster.

    So, I would say the proper Q for me is what kinds of talent (players, coaches, asst coaches, scouts, etc.) is the NFL overlooking and how would smart teams correct that to gain an advantage.

    So for example, there are many players, walk-ons etc. that the NFL routinely overlooks because they did not go to this school or that (Romo, etc.) and their pool is limited.

    I understand the problem of time/screening the NFL has (too much talent to evaluate & too little time). This is why so many "family legacy"
    coaches show up in the NFL (Mora Jr, Shula Jr., etc.) as they are "known quantities."

    We have the same problem in the venture capital / investment banking world. Yet, you have to find ways around this. This is one of the things I am actually really good at is finding & creating systems to keep open to fresh talent/deals. That is how I made my name mostly on my own (finding & working those quality deals others miss, as well as taking a shot at the ones everyone wants & knows about.)

    Meaning that in my world many VC's think that they "see everything" and know "every deal." Some will out & out say this & while most are real smart on that point they are fools (its like which new deals did you look at in between flying to Aspen and PB for a round of golf??) Anyway, you get the point.

    The point is many great deals are missed - but not missed by everyone right and someone gets that score, scoop, talent or whatever. In the end the market will adjust as it has to.

    The same thing happens with teams with good strength programs vs most that are crappy. Look at the Cowboys. Their trainer is good (I am better though ;)) and they routinely have an advantage in power positions and durability over the season. That shows up on the field and is noticed by other teams.

    Similarly, some teams & coaches (Raider, Parcell's) specialize in rehabbing & taking players "no one else can work with." Often that works out well for them & they get good talent at bargain pricing.

    Thus, I think that one of the biggest areas for improvement for the NFL teams is in finding that fresh talent (including in other sports (weightlifting, shotput, track, wrestling, rugby, etc.)) and in improving their strength and conditioning programs.

    Believe me, I will say this now. I have people that have asked me to be a sports agent for YEARS and this is something I am considering now. These are areas I will attack if I decide to make that move.

    If I step in I will field a team of freaks and they will all be 100% clean (as far as I can know/control).

    To that end, I am not looking to work with tons of guys, just an elite core - and will only work with hard workers, good citizens, honest, media friendly, etc.

    So, to answer your Q - no it does not bother me as I think it is likely unintended (by way of lack of NFL talent of Hispanics (highly unlikely), the sports of choice for Hispanics (i.e. where Hispanic sports talent goes (baseball, boxing, & soccer)), or simply unintentional byproduct of current NFL system), or at worst if it is intentional - I see it as a lack of vision on the part of some teams and a potential major opportunity for me.

    In the end, you can't keep good talent off the field & sidelines.

    That is my point.
     
  12. Big Buckin' agate_monkey

    Big Buckin' agate_monkey Active Member

    Still working on brevity, I see.
     
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