Guess Oprah's Monday sports guest ...

What I find intriguing in the whole Imus/rapper/shock/cultural decay/consumption equals ethics conversation is this: De La Soul, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common and Tribe have been bemoaning the death of true hip hop, misogyny, materialism and hyperviolence in hip hop since, oh, 1992.

So when people say "Where are the black voices protesting hip hop?" in response to Imus, the answer is that. Those voices are in year 15 of protest.

 

it's like I say to all these people who try to talk about it: "What was the last rap song you heard with the word bitch or ho in it?"

Not saying it's not there -- but the people who are all of the sudden steering this bandwagon probably can't even name a rap song. they just know the stereotype. they think that's what all rap is. bitches and hoes.

yeah, there's some bullshit out there, but there's good stuff, too.

 

And Clubber, my point here is that one of THE stock "comebacks" for those who secretly AGREE with Imus (and think "nappy-headed hos" is FUNNY) is a) to shift the conversation to the ugliest of hip-hop, and b) accuse those who find Imus offensive of not speaking out against ugly hip-hop...

Meanwhile, hip-hop itself is 10-15 years AHEAD of that curve.

I mean, has anyone ever heard "Stakes Is High?" Or listened to any random track on "Blackstar?"

 

Honestly, I'm all for the bashing of hiphop.

Maybe now corporate America will take their greasy hands off it and hip hop could go back to the balance it once had back in the late 80's.

 

I posted lyrics to Queen Latifah song from 1994 bemoaning the use of bitch and ho to describe women yesterday, course it was ignored b/c it didn't confirm what people want to believe about rap/hip-hop.

 

# 1 downloaded song in US today - Mims - "this is why I'm hot". Have your heard the lyrics ?

Safe to say that those protests have fallen on deaf years or have not been loud enough.

 

Ruining the stereotype?

 

"it's like I say to all these people who try to talk about it: "What was the last rap song you heard with the word bitch or ho in it?"

I can personally name a lot. I listen to a lot. Now Oprah should have on The Roots, OutKast, even Nas (there, I give in, Clubber), let us see where they're coming from with their views. Cuz their stuff isn't all bitches and hoes. Russell Simmons came off as an idiot.

 

I can't say I dislike your logic.

What bugs me is that people who shift this conversation to a blanket condemnation of hip-hop are AT BEST incredibly ignorant and lack any knowledge whatsoever of hip-hop, at AT WORST are blatant racists who dislike anything that comes out of an African American's mouth.

 

I bet you believe the African American community consumption of hip hop is the reason.

Back in the days "the LP went gold" was the goal when white america didn't buy it. Now that the trash is routinely benig purchased, it falls at the doorsteps of Black america.

amazing....

 

i'm totally with you.