Guns, the NRA, the constitution and senseless shootings

Ironically, the one group of the past 50 or so years that actually used guns as the second amendment intended was the Black Panthers, an organization that the right wing condones.

 

Presumably the final part of that post should have been in blue?

 

Good article (in my opinion) from Slate in which the author advocates a universal background check as the most effective means of a gun control/gun rights balance. I didn't know that 40 percent of gun sales are done "off the books."

Essentially, he says that gun control groups should give up taking on gun laws because most laws are at the state level, where the NRA is too powerful a force.

http://www.slate.com/id/2136188/

...the passage of a law that should please everyone across the political spectrum: universal background checks. The Brady Law already mandates FBI background checks when anyone buys a gun from a federal firearms-licensed gun dealer. There's no question that Brady is constitutional, and that Congress had the right to pass it. Given sufficient legislative spine, then, it follows that they could mandate the same check on all private sales as well.

These off-the-books sales in the secondary market account for roughly 40 percent of annual gun transfers. They make possible the gun-show loophole and straw-man purchases like the one that gave the Columbine killers the semiautomatic pistol in their cache. In fact, the only lawmakers who could possibly oppose universal checks are those who'd argue that known terrorists, sex offenders, felons, maniacs, drunks, drug addicts, and domestic abusers should be able to skip the FBI check and buy their guns from private sellers. That's what our current law allows, which raises the question: Why is the gun-control community not focused on a straightforward law that would directly address one of the main sources of guns used in violent crimes?

 

I sincerely hope the response of "we need more guns" is heard loud and clear. I hope the NRA is allowed to get its position out there. Shout it on FOX News and elsewhere in the mainstream media.

Polls show most Americans are in favor of more gun control. Unfortunately "most Americans" won't get off their asses and vote like the wingnuts do. Sometimes it takes something so patently contrary to logic to get somebody off his ass.

 

NRA pretty much said the same thing after Columbine, at a conference in Denver, no less. First time I heard about it was watching Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine." Somehow, I doubt the word gets out again.

 

The NRA does not represent the views of most gun owners, just as Pat Robertson's 700 Club doesn't represent all Christians.

 

Well, well, well.....

The killer did in fact frequent the mental health clinic for various issues.

Mental health clinics are made up of social workers. Go to any school of social work and see the political makeup of the people there. See how they know that to be on the government payroll, the hidden goal is to help people "get by" in their status rather than to improve them. That's why they scream for more government because more government means more money for them to help more people just get by in their state.

The killer was just "getting by" until he decided to take out 30-plus people.

Now, back to the NRA finger-pointing....

 

No no no, you're doing just fine with your generalizations about social workers, Bigot. Please, you go ahead and take the floor. Everyone enjoys the clown show at a circus.

 

Can anyone with any power around here explain to me why this guy still has an account?

The number of people is this profession who we know are battling mental illness, the liked and respected posters on here in particular, and this shit just gets a pass?

You disgust me, Yawn.

You truly do.

 

For a long time, I've wanted to volunteer at a gun support orgnaziation, an anti-NRA if you will.
Any suggestions?
I do a lot of volunteer work, but haven't found a good anti-gun group to join.

Ironically, I'm writing this above an Airsoft Guns ad.

 

So what you're saying is that the left-leaning tendencies of social workers might have in some way contributed to the shootings?

On behalf of everyone trying to have a somewhat reasonable discussion, shut your fucking mouth you fucking idiot.

Thanks.

 

Serious question for gun owners. Unless you hunt, why in the world do you need a gun?
If you're held at gunpoint, what are you going to do? You're not Doc Holliday, you presumably can't draw fast enough to do anything. Just give your wallet and let it be. Anyway, wouldn't you rather be robbed of your money than your conscience if you take somebody's life over somthing as trivial as a wallet?

I truly don't understand why an everyday person needs a gun.