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Homeland (not the grocery store)

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Matt Stephens, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Quinn -- they can go places with that storyline, he could have let Brody live out of a good heart or he could have another angle. Maybe we assume somebody tipped him off that Saul was making noise that Estes ordered the execution of a congressman. That lands on him if it ever gets investigated. Or maybe he's some kind of double agent.

    The car -- I don't know. I'm awaiting an explanation. Intricate design, wired inside the engine or something? Certainly they can't check the insides of doors, so if it isn't something the detectors pick up, this would be possible. It is somewhat far-fetched, though, given that it was Brody's car. You'd think that's the one they would inspect (or probably not let on the grounds at all).

    Brody sitting away from the VP's widow -- see, I think this could still have been him, which is something to explain. Of course he's going to deny it to Carrie, she had a gun pointing in his face.

    Getting to Canada -- it wouldn't be that difficult, it's maybe as little as a seven-hour drive. The only timeframe we can reference is that they left DC when it was light out and they said goodbye when it was dark. We don't know exactly how much later it was that she got back to DC.

    As I said before, the biggest question to me is how Carrie is going to explain that time lapse to Saul. And I think that's the main point of Season 3, him trying to figure her out and then her trying to figure him out. (I'm still not buying that line that he's a double agent, but I like that it lingers. It was certainly fortuitous scheduling that dumping Nazir took place at the exact time as the VP's funeral.)
     
  2. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    They have left the idea that Saul as the mole very open. The idea that he is telling numerous people that Estes intends to kill Brody works as he needs Brody alive to carry out the bombing.

    Of course, that would require him to publicize the Brody tape to Estes, hoping that Estes does only those very specific things which Estes ends up doing.

    Also, Carrie and Brody are not employed by the CIA -- they don't get to wander around to go to a senior analyst's office whenever they want to.
     
  3. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Lots of good points. I love this show, but this season, especially the last half of this season, has given us way too many things that aren't believable. Even for a TV show.

    Like LTL said, my biggest question is how Carrie will explain how she survived and where she was for the last 12-18 hours. I have a feeling I won't be satisfied with the answers.
     
  4. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I thought that the show made a critical mistake not killing off Brody early in season 2. Texting Nazir, going to Gettysburg, Nazir coming to the US, the stuff at the VP's house and Nazir hiding out at the abandoned factory were all big missteps for me. The final was a really strong episode, but not enough to make up for what came before. The Sopranos was such a deeper show that the comparisons don't apply.

    Lewis is a fine actor -- I liked his work at the wealthy donor's house and his interaction with Dana especially. But they stretched to keep him in the show and I think that it suffered. Turning the focus to Saul, Carrie and Quinn (and hopefully F. Murray) will be a hopefully be positive turn for Season 3.
     
  5. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Until the last episode I thought Saul was a Mole, more than sporadically through the series. But the last episode showed there was no way he could have known about the timing of the memorial serivce.

    Brody is still a practicing Muslim, which doesn't make him a terrorist in real life, but it may in the context of the show. He told Carrie that Nazir had the whole bombing the CIA planned out from the start, so why wasn't Brody still a part of the terrorist network?

    This show doesn't carry the same intellectual and plot depth as HBO shows, so maybe what you see is what you get.
     
  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    This occured to me as well. They can't frame Brodie if Brodie is dead, and although it's a stretch to believe they were just trying to wound Quinn at Gettysburg it gives him perfect cover.

    I would thnk there is ample security tape of the parking lot so it can easily be determined that Brodie's car was moved from it's original parking spot by a third party. Sounds like an easy place for the investigation to start in Season III.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I totally forgot about that. But at the time -- and especially how they zoomed in on his face -- I remember thinking that was odd and it could be a clue. They have definitely made him a wild card. He could end up meaning nothing more to the show or he could become the central character.
     
  8. EStreetJoe

    EStreetJoe Well-Known Member

    I have this insane theory that Carrie's the mole.
    -- She's mentally unstable and constantly feels the need to prove her worth as an agent. What better way than secretly feeding the bad guys info and then knowing their next move?
    -- Feeding the terrorists info keeps them in play, giving her more opportunities to see the man (Brody) she has a crush on
    -- She took Brody to a part of the building that was out of the main destruction zone
    -- She had an escape plan in place for just such an emergency
     
  9. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I would be disappointed if that happens. They have clearly set it up that almost anyone can be the mole -- except Mike, he's just a good old Chip Hilton American boy who likes those boobies and who wouldn't -- but if that happened I'd feel like the whole show was playing a trick on me and had changed courses mid-stream because of the ratings frenzy.
     
  10. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Basically blew threw the entire first two seasons in the last month ... the last seven episodes in the last three days, actually. It's an addicting show.

    I have a lot of the same quibbles as everyone else. After Q&A, the show sort of went of the rails in terms of plausibility. As someone who grew up in the DC area, the little mistakes with geography kind of ticked me off, too. Also, I spent a ton of time in Charlotte and could tell exactly where they were. You could see BofA Stadium in the background on one of the shots. They said the warehouse was east of Chantilly on 50. There is no deserted road there. It's all Fairfax County developed suburb. It's nitpicky, but they could have easily picked a random spot in Loudoun County and made it more believable. Also, anyone who has been to DC knows there are no highrises in the District. Again, I get the filming limitations, but that bugged me for some reason, any time they showed shots of the big buildings in the background. They could have gotten away with that by just saying the CIA safehouse was in Rosslyn or Crystal City, rather than in DC.

    Anyway, the finale gave me hope for Season 3, because at the end of the penultimate episode, I couldn't even figure out how they were going to fill an hour for the finale. So good on that.
     
  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    SO Mandy Patinkin and F. Murray Abraham are running the CIA? So the whole thing is a Zionist plot?
     
  12. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    A slow start to the new season. It wasn't like I was expecting Brody to be back in the picture already.

    @SergeantBrody needs to start tweeting again. That was the funniest thing from last season.
     
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