1. Welcome to SportsJournalists.com, a friendly forum for discussing all things sports and journalism.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register for a free account to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Access to private conversations with other members.
    • Fewer ads.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

How do we feel about the Chron guys now?

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by SF_Express, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    i'm not saying never.
    i'm saying you as a reporter are defined by the sources you choose.
    and as wasserman says, there are honorable sources and Evil Sources.

    if you choose to lay down with an evil source, you may wake up with a permanent disease.


    and now that i know the m.o. of these two reporters, as a reader i'm going to file that away and remember it when they report in the future.
     
  2. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Ellerman clearly was trying to build a case for mistrial based on so much evidence being leaked to media. It turns out that he was one of the many leakers.
     
  3. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    From the Miami Herald editorial posted by jgmacg--To me this really sums up the quandary, and the reason we're not going to reach a concensus here:


    In other words, you know you're part of something, you accept you're part of it, and you're willing to accept the fallout because you believe the story is worth it.

    I suspect that anyone who has not had to make that decision would have a hard time knowing for sure what he or she would do.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That's a really big leap. He's a lawyer. The Feds were trying to convict his client in the press (we can assume the info came from the Feds). Like any lawyer, he got on the phone with the paper and railed about it (calling the Feds punks). This shit happens every day in criminal justice reporting, Boom. There isn't even an inkling of anything that stains the reporters in it, though. They probably did get the info from the Feds. And in fairness, they quoted the target's attorney responding. That's pretty balanced, and it is what good reporters do. You're making leaps into imagined wrongdoings most people are not going to take with you.
     
  5. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Imagined wrongdoings?? You can't be saying Ellerman didn't leak the story. What does this mean?
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You kind of just nailed it... I'd just add that a lot of this only comes into play when you are in Monday Morning Quarterback territory. More often you have to accept that you MIGHT be part of something and that something might not become clear until later. If you agree with me on this, you still have an obligation to live up to your word because of the greater good that comes from reporters who protect their sources.
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    But "the target's attorney" was also the person providing reporters sealed information.
     
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    If it was not clear before it certainly should have been clear to the reporters on 10/30 what Ellerman was up to. If not the reporters it had to be clear to Chronicle attorneys.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Read the story Boom keeps referencing. It has NOTHING to do with Ellerman's leak of testimony. The Feds (at least it was likely that it was the Feds) told the paper what Valente was blabbing about when they raided him. Ellerman got on the phone and called the Feds punks. The paper reported both sides. First Boom confused this with Ellerman's leaks of GJ testimony (which is cool. I get things wrong too). Then he was making the argument that the reporters did something immoral by putting their names on that story.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that story or their methods. And the irony is that, everything in it is probably true! The Feds probably gave them the info. And Ellerman was probably correct in assuming that.

    Anyone arguing that the reporters are somehow immoral (you have to take wild leaps to get there) over that story, is imagining wrongdoings that don't exist. The story itself is solid.

    That story is unrelated to Ellerman lying to that judge about leaks, which is the only ethical issue that could possibly have any merit here.
     
  10. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    We gotta get Creamora back here.
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    It will be "Exhibit A to our argument to dismiss the case, " he said. ( he meaning Ellerman)

    Ragu--On what basis is Ellerman asking for the case to be dismissed?
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Boom, I'm not following your reasoning here. In that story, Ellerman was assuming that the Feds were trying to convict his client in the newspaper. He was probably right. Why wouldn't he say "It will be "Exhibit A" to our argument to dismiss the case?" I'm not a lawyer, but that sounds like Lawyer 101 stuff to me. It's actually an argument to dismiss that sounds to my unlawyerly mind like it might actually at least get heard by the judge. It sounds like something Ellerman did that wasn't dishonest. You're making the mistake of taking the things he did wrong and extrapolating it to unrelated things.

    In any case, there just isn't any argument that that sullies the reporters of the story you keep quoting. They quoted both sides. All the info in the story is probably right (Feds feeding them info. Defense lawyer crying about it and getting equal time). What's the issue here?
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page