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Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Aug 22, 2014.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    There are two options here, mutually exclusive:

    (1) We have failed African-Americans on a grand scale, policy-wise, from slavery through today;

    (2) Shiftless niggers.
     
  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Robbinsville (few miles north of Trenton) just opened a massive Amazon packing/shipping warehouse and one of the big things was to provide transportation to and fro impoverished cities like Trenton -- basically making it impossible NOT to try to get and keep one of the hundreds (maybe thousands?) of jobs they were offering.

    I'd be curious to know who applied, and who filled those jobs. Is it inglorious work? Probably, but it's a paycheck -- and a chance to build yourself until you're ready to move on to the next, better thing if you so desire.
     
  3. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    So you're making a mistake of lumping a lot of groups of Asian Americans together, it seems. Because some groups of Asian Americans succeed and some groups don't. The basic breakdown is - those who are choosing to immigrate here succeed. Mostly because Asian Americans who choose to immigrate here come do so with savings. Just like Western and Eastern European immigration, it isn't the poorest of the poor among this group who come to America. Instead its (generally) those who have savings and can afford the move.
    When the poorest of the poor come here, like Hmong refugees, they don't fare nearly as well.
    Anyway, I don't have time to do a deep dive in to the literature and the numbers but the short answer is, those who do well do so because they come here with the resources that enable it.
     
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    They weren't coming to a country with a history of 400 years of oppressing them and a society set up to just keep on doing the same?

    Starting from zero was a hell of a lot farther along than where a black family started in 1865, or 1965.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Boy. And I get accused of looking at things as being either black or white.

    Is there no shade of gray here?

    And, what's your formula for Asian/Indian Subcontinent success:

    (1) We have instituted a system on a grand scale, policy-wise, that has catapulted them to success

    (2) Super geniuses, combined with an unequaled work ethic, and entrepreneurial drive
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Again: One is supplied with a tremendous head start when one is not forcibly brought to the U.S., shackled and packed like a sardine, on a rickety boat.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    OK. So, nothing to see here, and nothing to learn.
     
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    We should have let the blacks open casinos. That has worked out
    fabulously well for the formerly oppressed Indians.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    What the hell, DW, do you think you're scoring some points with this? In the late 1960s Moynihan made note of what he called the "tangle of pathology" of the American black family. Your responses remind me of the some of the screeching that accompanied his report.

    There have been TONS of policy failures. That's the friggin' point.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I just don't believe that any racial group is inherently more capable at this point in time in human evolution. Which, on some level, your argument - and I don't think it's intentional, certainly - requires.
     
  11. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    There's going to be a good story to be told about what's happening in Trenton with Latino migrants and the black community. Yes, there are some drunkard Latinos who do nothing but waste space in Chambersburg. I spent a day photographing the Burg and captured some tremendous stuff.

    That said, South Trenton is fast -- SO VERY FAST -- becoming a Latino stronghold, and the demographics will continue to surge into the west, north and east sections of the city. And this is happening because the family unit is strong and committed to church, to hard work, to saving money, to entrepreneurship, to building a future.

    Trenton still has some very large social-economic problems but at the same time you can see the seismic shifts in power. The black community thought that with the exodus of Italians and Hungarians etc etc that they'd finally get their piece of the pie. But that never happened. The black community hasn't worked to build its piece of heaven. Instead, Latinos arrived in force and started to do the grunt work and saved money, then graduated onto the less-prestigious work and saved money, then graduated into decent jobs and saved money, then started to buy vacant property and fixed them up and became business owners and saved money, and it's continuing at rapid speed.

    By 2020 -- 2025 at the latest -- Trenton will be a Latino town, from the top (politics) down. And it's all because they chose to build their own little piece of heaven in America.

    There's also a chance you're going to see a nasty race conflict there.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    That's not YF's point at all.

    His point seems to be: Bootstraps!
     
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