I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

Really?

If the guy wasn't an owner of the company, you think he would have been able to bring his gun to work?

You think all the "gun free" workplaces would be thrilled to have him bring his gun with him?

I don't.

 

The new Seattle police use-of-force policy is putting officers – and the public – at risk because officers are hesitant to use force, according to an internal department memo obtained by KIRO 7.

“Even in situations when officers are using force, in many cases the force being used is not proportional to the force used by the suspect and officers are waiting to use force way beyond the time considered reasonable,” East Precinct Lt. Bryan Grenon wrote in a memo to sergeants.

...

“Some officers are very hesitant to use force in situations where force is clearly needed,” Grenon wrote. “Please communicate to our officers that it is OK to use force when needed. We expect officers to use force when necessary to protect themselves, fellow officers, the public, and the suspect from harm.”

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/police-department-policy-puts-public-officers-risk/nhWGH/

 

Well, if one guy said it in a memo, that settles it.

 

I don't know the answer to this, since I don't really know how the laws apply to reserve deputies, but my guess would be that in most cases he would be able to carry his weapon. And if you are implying that anyone with a permit should be able to carry a firearm at work, then you are just batshit insane.

 

Law is pretty clear that any certified law enforcement officer can carry a gun regardless if the officer is on or off duty or if the officer is working in an official capacity or not.

 

So, you've gone from thinking that nobody would have an issue with it, to guessing that "in most cases" he'd be able to carry his weapon.

OK. You've convinced me.

 

It's a volunteer position.


Reserve Deputies serve a very important role in the ability of the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Office to provide law enforcement services and protection to the citizens of Oklahoma County. Reserve Deputies are citizens who attended rigorous law enforcement training and volunteer their time to serve.


http://www.koco.com/news/oklahoma-county-reserve-deputy-heralded-as-hero-in-warehouse-attack/28268806#ixzz3EYXQgbrf

If you think any job is going to let you bring your gun to work because you've done some training, and are part of a volunteer program, you are kidding yourself.

 

Officers have said there are cases where they avoid force because of the hour-long process that comes after minimal contact -- including in some cases the handcuffing of suspects, which would not have been documented force a few years ago.

Oh, cry me a fucking river.

"Since we're too lazy to do the paperwork, we're just going to stop looking into criminal activity unless you loosen the use-of-force SOP."

I'd love to see some numbers about how many cops are put "at risk" there by NOT using deadly force. I'm sure the reason those stats aren't in that memo is just an innocent oversight by the watch commander. :

 

I said I am unfamiliar with the laws. So, you know the laws of every state? Please enlighten us and stop being so insufferable.

 

“The policy is over 80 pages long,” officer union president Ron Smith told KIRO 7. “It’s very confusing.”

If a suspect says “ouch” when being handcuffed, for example, officers are required by department policy to write a use-of-force complaint, Smith said.

Police in several precincts say career criminals in problem areas including Belltown and Pioneer Square know this – and large areas of the city can go with minimal coverage when officers are writing the required paperwork.

Smith showed a photo taken last spring showing eight officers in the west precinct writing use-of-force documentation when those officers could have been on the street.

 

The answer is clearly to not try as hard to protect and serve. And, whine.

 

I don't even know what YF is arguing anymore. Are we upset that the use of force is not being used enough, or that the officers who use force are off the streets doing paperwork and these career criminals have carte blanche to rape/pillage or that the officers are ignoring crime so they don't have to decide if/when to use force? What the fuck?