I Guess They Owe MoveOn An Apology

Fenian_Bastard · Oct 16, 2007

Joe --
He'll be back as soon as Rush is out of commercial.

Football_Bat · Oct 16, 2007

Define "definishing."

Fenian_Bastard · Oct 16, 2007

My horse pulled up lame just before definishing, damn him.

old_tony · Oct 16, 2007

Joe Rossi said:

Sigh.

Read your last post. Read your sig. Then, don't even bother trying to continue in this argument with any modicum of credibility.

However, I'll humor you.

My reading capability is proficient enough that I know when my question isn't being answered.

Again, I ask: Please to cite one passage in the MoveOn ad which suggests that Petraeus is actively colluding with an enemy of the United States (before taking shots at someone else's comprehension, I suggest that you re-read definition No. 1). I'll even cut and paste the ad text for you:

General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said there was â€œtangible progressâ€ in Iraq and that â€œIraqi leaders are stepping forward.â€ And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq, said, â€œWe say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.â€

Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed. Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That’s because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don’t count. The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you’re shot in the back of the head — not the front. According to the Associated Press, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we’ve been there. We’ll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won’t hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.

Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we won’t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.

Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.
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Oblivious to the realities on the ground. Fudging statistics. Possessing no clear plan.

These are the accusations that you believe MoveOn is equating Petraeus with Benedict Arnold?

Jesus Christ, that's not much different than the Republicans are saying about Sanchez.

Wow.

I understand, though -- if my case was as flimsy as yours, I'd also try to mask it by lobbing childish insults at other posters.

Besides, I'm sure there are many factory workers who do their own homework to come up with educated opinions on the issues of the day. Some journalists, meanwhile, believe that Ann Coulter offers poignant discourse that should be taken seriously.

I know which people I'd rather have stumble upon this site.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.

EDIT: This not only makes MoveOn look stupid, it also makes Fenian's hero Sanchez look like Blooming Idiot No. 1.

I love puppies! · Oct 16, 2007

old_tony said:

Joe Rossi said:

Sigh.

Read your last post. Read your sig. Then, don't even bother trying to continue in this argument with any modicum of credibility.

However, I'll humor you.

My reading capability is proficient enough that I know when my question isn't being answered.

Again, I ask: Please to cite one passage in the MoveOn ad which suggests that Petraeus is actively colluding with an enemy of the United States (before taking shots at someone else's comprehension, I suggest that you re-read definition No. 1). I'll even cut and paste the ad text for you:

General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said there was tangible progress in Iraq and that Iraqi leaders are stepping forward. And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq, said, We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.

Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed. Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. Thats because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs dont count. The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if youre shot in the back of the head not the front. According to the Associated Press, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer weve been there. Well hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we wont hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.

Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we wont hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.

Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.
Click to expand...

Oblivious to the realities on the ground. Fudging statistics. Possessing no clear plan.

These are the accusations that you believe MoveOn is equating Petraeus with Benedict Arnold?

Jesus Christ, that's not much different than the Republicans are saying about Sanchez.

Wow.

I understand, though -- if my case was as flimsy as yours, I'd also try to mask it by lobbing childish insults at other posters.

Besides, I'm sure there are many factory workers who do their own homework to come up with educated opinions on the issues of the day. Some journalists, meanwhile, believe that Ann Coulter offers poignant discourse that should be taken seriously.

I know which people I'd rather have stumble upon this site.
Click to expand...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.
Click to expand...

You obviously don't read the Post editorial page much. While the paper might be left leaning. the op-ed page definitely is not.

Ace · Oct 16, 2007

old_tony said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.
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This calls for a celebration.

Mission Accomplished -- Again!

old_tony · Oct 16, 2007

Ace said:

old_tony said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.
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This calls for a celebration.

Mission Accomplished -- Again!
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So it's not good news? Or are you just pulling out another bumper sticker because when we win the Dems will be devastated?

I love puppies! · Oct 16, 2007

old_tony said:

Ace said:

old_tony said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.
Click to expand...

This calls for a celebration.

Mission Accomplished -- Again!
Click to expand...

So it's not good news? Or are you just pulling out another bumper sticker because when we win the Dems will be devastated?
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It's all a game isn't it? "When we win"??? It's about my side, my team winning. Not surprising you work in sports, but using that same simplistic mentality says a lot about you.

Let me anticipate your response:

"Democrats are just the same. You love muslims. Al Gore. Hoax. Un-American."

Ace · Oct 16, 2007

I don't know if it is good news or not. I don't know if it is true or not.

I tend not to believe optimistic statements from unnamed military leaders. Ever hear of Baghdad Bob?

dooley_womack1 · Oct 16, 2007

Football_Bat said:

Define "definishing."
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westcoastvol wiping off afterward.

jgmacg · Oct 16, 2007

old_tony said:

....when we win...
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Win what?

old_tony · Oct 16, 2007

I love puppies! said:

old_tony said:

Ace said:

old_tony said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21299285/

Yup, the Washington Post, that bastion of water-carrying for the Bush administration, tells us how right MoveOn was in calling the man leading our troops a betrayer.
Click to expand...

This calls for a celebration.

Mission Accomplished -- Again!
Click to expand...

So it's not good news? Or are you just pulling out another bumper sticker because when we win the Dems will be devastated?
Click to expand...

It's all a game isn't it? "When we win"??? It's about my side, my team winning. Not surprising you work in sports, but using that same simplistic mentality says a lot about you.

Let me anticipate your response:

"Democrats are just the same. You love muslims. Al Gore. Hoax. Un-American."

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"We" would be the US. But I'm not surprised you don't included yourself as a part of that. Clearly, party is way more important to you than country.

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