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If it ain't broke, fix it anyway: NASCAR 2017 Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Batman, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I know it is at IMS, which is fortunate enough to have only one Nascar weekend (and has plenty of other revenue streams). I can certainly believe SMI has it tougher, operating multiple tracks with more overhead and more lousy races, and fewer ways to recover the revenue that walked out the door 10 years ago.
     
  2. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Actually, that might make things a little worse. I'm guessing spots on those shows are throw-ins to whatever package the advertisers purchased, or worse, make goods. Anyone paying for those isn't paying full card.

    FOX and NBC still have to have production staff and talent, plus sets and studios. I'm certain the Golf Channel has to be a tax dodge for Universal, because there's no way the production costs are covered by ads for swing aids and miracle wedges. I still remember all the Vermont Teddy Bear and Shari's Berries ads that used to run on SPEED during Speedweeks because they couldn't find anyone willing to pay rate sheet for practices or the Twins.

    When I see a Firestone or Verizon ad on an IndyCar broadcast, I wonder if that's just part of the sponsorship deal or there's actual money trading hands.
     
  3. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    When NASCAR finally switched from the antiquated carburetors to fuel injection, I had the opportunity to sit down with Robert and Doug Yates to discuss the transition. I was nervous and a bit in awe of two men who knew more about carburetors than anyone not named Holley, and worried about making a fool of myself. The closest I had come to their expertise was taking one apart in high school auto shop. Instead, they were incredibly helpful and patiently explained enough of the details for me to grasp a very technical subject. Robert was nearly deaf -- comes with tuning racing engines for more than four decades -- but was as nice as could be. After the story posted, Doug would seek me out in the garage area whenever he saw me just to say hello and thank me. A tremendous family and cornerstone of what NASCAR became.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Used to enjoy the ... Texaco? Valvoline? ... commercials with Robert Yates. As if that's the kind of oil they use in those engines ...
     
  5. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Actually, they do. But it's definitely not the same stuff you can buy off the shelf for your passenger car. Here's a very well-written article explaining the differences:

    http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/racing-oil-vs-street-oil-know-the-differences/
     
  6. Eye-opening piece (to me anyway) on the state of NASCAR from Jenna Fryer. Eye-opening, because I haven't really paid attention to NASCAR for about 2 years.



    As Sponsorship Dollars Dwindle, NASCAR’s Stars Fade | News, Sports, Jobs - The Intelligencer

    I don't like the product. I HATE(d) the Chase format.
     
  7. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    When there isn't a ride for a guy like Kenseth, you know things are going to shit.
     
  8. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    The money is tight for sponsorships, but I wonder if this wouldn't be the time for a new series to take on NASCAR. Cheaper tickets, fewer races, maybe start with spec cars, hit up some of the tracks that now only have one Cup race but often put on a good show (I'm thinking of Atlanta). ISC tracks would be out, but there are still a bunch of tracks that could offer up a date: Atlanta, Kentucky, Charlotte, Dover, New Hampshire, Sonoma, Road America/Mid-Ohio, Gateway, Milwaukee ... you know the drill.
     
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  9. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    It's like pro teams that trade or dump stars to cut costs -- now it's almost an entire league doing it. Who are the big-money guys left -- Johnson, Harvick, Kyle Busch, Brad K, maybe one or two others? Johnson might make more in salary next year than a third of the field combined.

    I wonder at what point another one of the manufacturers decides to throw in the towel. Maybe not in the next couple years, but eventually. Dodge quit five years ago and the company's not only still afloat, but a lot of its image is now in muscle cars. Without any help from Nascar.
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2017
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  10. If this keeps up NASCAR wives may have to work.
     
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  11. maumann

    maumann Well-Known Member

    Just looked to see what bumbling idiot at NBC Sports signed off on the 10-year NASCAR deal in 2013, when the sport was already in freefall. It was Mark Lazarus, who used to be my boss at Turner, and a really smart guy otherwise. Boy, did Lazarus ever guess badly there. And NASCAR's Steve Herbst apparently can sell ice cubes to Eskimos.

    Every move Brian France has made since 2003 has bit him in the behind, and yet he's made a fortune off of gullible TV people -- first FOX, then ESPN and now Universal.

    It took NASCAR 30 years to switch to unleaded gas, and eventually ethanol blend, and 40 years to discover fuel injection. NASCAR execs are still in denial about V-8 engines on a 1960 Ford Fairlane chassis, running mind-numbingly long races twice a year at the same 21 venues on the same 40 weeks. Combustion-engine racing worldwide is in jeopardy. But no series is more dependent on and less able to evolve its long-term strategy than the one in Daytona Beach.
     
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