If the Colts lose ... Would you consider trading Peyton Manning?

BYH's 1/7 2:34 AM says it all.

Put it to rest.

 

The better solution would be to dump Tony Dungy in favor of a more fiery, Jon Gruden type who could light a fire under their collective ass. As wonderful a man as Dungy is and as many regular season games as he's won as a head coach, the Bucs eventually realized that he had taken them as far as they could go. In the playoffs, you have to be able to take it to another level emotionally from the very beginning of the game. Dungy's teams don't do that.

Maybe Charlie Weis would be interested. Can you imagine him coaching Manning?

While Manning shouldn't (and really can't even if he should) be traded, he too has to take a big chunk of blame for this. He sucked in big games at Tennessee and he's sucked in the playoffs in the pros. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Tennessee won the national championship the year after he graduated with a vastly inferior quarterback and much of the same cast otherwise.

 

Trade Peyton Manning! That is just plain crazy. Maybe you trade Reggie Wayne but no way you trade Peyton. Peyton may not play well in the playoff and you can certainly make him the scape goat of the failed playoff runs but he still is one of if not the most talented QB's in the league. Maybe if the Colts spent some money on their defense they would have won a super bowl by now.

 

It's not a coincidence. But not because of why you think.

Tennessee allowed Florida to score 62, 35 (in the first 20 minutes!) and 33 points in the three games Manning started at QB.

Florida scored 17 --- in an overtime game, no less --- the year after he left. UF was held to minus-15 yards rushing (as opposed to the 170+ yards Fred Taylor & Co. racked up the year before against "Manning's" defense at Tennessee.)

Defense wins.

Always has, always will.

 

Man, the idiot kicker is getting off a little light here. He missed that game winning kick last year by, what 30, 40 yards to the right?

 

Show me the evidence that a "fiery" NFL coach is better. Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry ... not exactly fire-and-brimstone motivators.

 

Manning is the NFL's best and smartest quarterback. Case closed.

 

To answer the thread lede question, 'No.'

As much as I like the man, I would consider replacing Dungy. Gruden, perhaps?

Dungy is one of the best guys I think I've ever seen. The way he has handled his son's tragic death is as admirable as anything I can remember. But as a coach, he might be too kind for today's pampered athletes who seem to respond better to the 'in-your-face' approach of a Gruden.

Dungy could coach my kid any time, but the NFL is a results business.

 

Look someone inadvertently closed this case without putting Tom Brady in it.

 

That's because Tom Brady likely will never have to play on a team with a defense that allows 175 yards rushing per game and lets the opposition control the ball for 35-40 minutes every game.

If Brady puts up 20 points, he will win 80 percent of the time.

If Manning puts up 20 points, he will win about 20 percent of the time.

The difference in that burden is like looking at Venus and Saturn in the sky. They don't look 800 million miles apart, but they are.

 

The idea of trading Peyton Manning is almost not worth the energy it took to type this sentence. But, Suburbia, why should Tony Dungy get fired? There are many coaches in sports history who were excellent coaches but didn't win "the big one" until later in their careers or won it early and then never again.

Bill Cowher is a recent example. And why do the Colts need Charlie? They are already great when it comes to offense. Defense is typically their issue, and if you've seen Weis' Notre Dame team, you'd know he is not exactly a defensive specialist.

 

So how did Tennessee's defense magically get so much better in one off-season?

For the poster who mentioned the way Peyton's teammates fucked up around him, why did they suddenly stop doing that when Tee Martin became the quarterback?