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Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by jason_whitlock, Aug 28, 2006.

  1. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    Come on. That's a ridiculous comparison. Again, you're arguing with your heart and not your head.

    This isn't even the most intriguing first ammendment battle going on right now. Check out what's going on Lancaster, Pa. if you want a case that has a lot more gray area, and room for debate (And, perhaps, capitol-hill protests) than the Chronicle case.
     
  2. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    Frank, to me, the story is about more than just "celebrity."
     
  3. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    If that's what it means to you personally, I can't argue that. But it's BS to believe that's not what it means to the paper. There are drug cases in San Fran all the time -- the Chron devoted resources to this one because celebrities were involved. There are people dying from other drugs every day. How many newspapers devote more than a brief to that?
     
  4. Columbo

    Columbo Active Member

    Inarguable.
     
  5. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    I should mention that some papers do write drug stories about the non-famous. Hartford's "Heroin Town" comes to mind. But this one is big only because of the famous athletes.
     
  6. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    Sure, because the case involved a celeb and the feds -- that makes it more newsworthy. But it doesn't mean the story is only about "celebrity."

    I believe it touches on larger issues. The issue of steroids in baseball, for example. In my view, that issue represents a big problem.
     
  7. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    >>Aren't there a couple of exceptions to "A journalist never reveals his sources"?<<
    If a reporter is given advance knowledge of a crime to be commited and doesn't tell law enforcement, the reporter is guilty of a crime.
    No exceptions, no privilege.
    So if a guy tells a reporter, I'm going to blow up the federal court house tomorrow at Noon and the reporter believes the person to be credible, then he or she is compelled to tell.
    The same is true for an attorney, or a priest or a doctor, and, I believe, spouse.

    And I got my ACLU card. I don't have a civil liberties problem. The problem I have is that journalists seem to want to have it both ways expecting special consideration (extra legal protection in this case) for what they do.
    And we all want special consideration. We want parking permits and passes. The ability to tell a judge to F off, when compelled to testify.
    I have a fundamental problem with that.
     
  8. Columbo

    Columbo Active Member

    As do I.

    Well played.
     

  9. You cannot be serious.
    Sexual molestation vs. voluntary use of perfromance enhancing drugs?
    When I talk about "drug hysteria," that's pretty much what I mean.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Jay, what makes journalists different from all those people who want special privilege is that what journalists do is a constitutionally protected right. The first amendment guarantees a free press. My argument on this thread, all along, has been that anything that can infringe on that right is dangerous. If you start off with the premise that a free press is a good thing and is integral to a free society and democracy, it is not just wanting "special treatment" that leads you to believe that anything that can stifle that free press is a bad thing. In this case, I can make a very credible argument that if journalists who do NOTHING ILLEGAL to do their reporting can be compelled to reveal a confidential source, you might as well throw confidential sources out the window. And without them, the press's ability to operate freely most certainly suffers. The news becomes only the news you can get without digging too deep. Because the minute you tread into water in which someone with vital information wants to be protected, you can not offer that protection. That absolutely flies in the face of a free press as far as I am concerned.

    What has kept this very important aspect of a free press treading water is the integrity most reporters display--their willingness to go to jail over the principle, rather than give in to the strong arming. That to me--and many others--is an injustice. A vital component of the free press should not hinge on various reporters' willingness to go to jail. Jail should never be an option for someone who doesn't commit a crime. In many cases, these reporters have not only commited no crime, yet face jail time, but their work is playing a vital role in the free society we enjoy. It's an injustice.
     
  11. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    Absolutely. He should not have to reveal his source. Oh, and since his source is himself, that right is also protected by the fifth amendment, which protects him from being forced to incriminate himself.
     
  12. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    My point was that different issues are on a sliding scale of importance to different people.

    Many see use of performance enhancing drugs as a big societal concern.

    But all journalists should check with you first, Fenian, to see how important these issues really are before aggressively reporting on them.
     
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