Indefensible.

old_tony · Oct 9, 2007

Fenian_Bastard said:

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their lavish house sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

Wrong, tony. Wrong on history. Wrong on the facts. Unless, of course, you've determined the country doesn;t need a middle class. Which has been the presiding economic paradigm since 2000.

As long as we're linking to blogs, here's a conservative who's not a complete orc.
http://www.balloon-juice.com
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How about that. I never thought I'd see Fenian saying how much he loves the rich and they should get government handouts.

The name of this thread is "indefensible." And it is indefensible that the Baltimore Sun reporter didn't bother to look for any of this and instead pained the family as unable to get by without a huge government handout. Why are blogs running circles around this mainstream media outlet as far as research goes?

The Shotgun blog offers this:
"Taking into account the value of the home (which was recently remodeled), the value of the father’s business, the value of the commercial property they own, and so forth minus their mortgage and whatever they might owe on the commercial property (and other sundry debts) an educated guess would suggest that this family has a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $500,000."

The Sun story claimed the Frost's health insurance would have cost them $1,200 a month. Yet Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog does a quick internet search and finds:

"A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays. Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That's almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

No matter how you cut it, this is not a good poster-child family for the necessity of government assistance. I do hear, however, that Bill Gates is having some trouble finding affordable insurance.

deskslave · Oct 9, 2007

old_tony said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their lavish house sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

Wrong, tony. Wrong on history. Wrong on the facts. Unless, of course, you've determined the country doesn;t need a middle class. Which has been the presiding economic paradigm since 2000.

As long as we're linking to blogs, here's a conservative who's not a complete orc.
http://www.balloon-juice.com
Click to expand...

How about that. I never thought I'd see Fenian saying how much he loves the rich and they should get government handouts.

The name of this thread is "indefensible." And it is indefensible that the Baltimore Sun reporter didn't bother to look for any of this and instead pained the family as unable to get by without a huge government handout. Why are blogs running circles around this mainstream media outlet as far as research goes?

The Shotgun blog offers this:
"Taking into account the value of the home (which was recently remodeled), the value of the father’s business, the value of the commercial property they own, and so forth minus their mortgage and whatever they might owe on the commercial property (and other sundry debts) an educated guess would suggest that this family has a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $500,000."

The Sun story claimed the Frost's health insurance would have cost them $1,200 a month. Yet Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog does a quick internet search and finds:

"A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays. Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That's almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

No matter how you cut it, this is not a good poster-child family for the necessity of government assistance. I do hear, however, that Bill Gates is having some trouble finding affordable insurance.
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And I'm sure that plan covers the ongoing treatments from the daughter's brain injury. We know how insurance companies love to cover pre-existing conditions.

zeke12 · Oct 9, 2007

deskslave said:

Zeke12 said:

Beaker said:

Yep, plasma TV's are at the root of the health insurance crisis in this country. Right.
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It's the modern day "Welfare Queen" argument. It makes less sense than it did the first time around.

When that gets tiresome they'll try to blame brown people.

Watch and see if I'm not right.
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They already have.

"Earlier, Feeney and Keller issued statements echoing the arguments the Bush White House has made against the expanded program. Feeney said the measure passed by majorities in both the House and the Senate would provide benefits to "wealthy" families as well as 12.6 million "illegal immigrants," and Keller said the measure is a Democratic plan "for socialized medicine" - claims disputed by Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the Republican sponsor of the measure in the Senate."

It becomes more and more apparent every day that Republicans have no idea what life is like for the middle class any more. Let's assume for a minute that the mythical $80K figure were true. In another day and age, $80K was a lot of money. Now, in New York, with at least two kids, $80K really isn't that much money.
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Well, kiss my grits.

That train's never late, is it?

Flying Headbutt · Oct 10, 2007

If I see one more mention of that imaginary and made up $80k figure I'm going to lock this mother fucking thread up. For the last mother fucking time, there is not one single mother fucking mention of families making $80k a year in that SCHIP bill which President Pharisee vetoed last week. For President Pharisee to go on TV and say that is one more mother fucking out and out lie that he's told us about something. FUCK!

deskslave · Oct 10, 2007

old_tony said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their â€œlavish houseâ€ sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

Wrong, tony. Wrong on history. Wrong on the facts. Unless, of course, you've determined the country doesn;t need a middle class. Which has been the presiding economic paradigm since 2000.

As long as we're linking to blogs, here's a conservative who's not a complete orc.
http://www.balloon-juice.com
Click to expand...

How about that. I never thought I'd see Fenian saying how much he loves the rich and they should get government handouts.

The name of this thread is "indefensible." And it is indefensible that the Baltimore Sun reporter didn't bother to look for any of this and instead pained the family as unable to get by without a huge government handout. Why are blogs running circles around this mainstream media outlet as far as research goes?

The Shotgun blog offers this:
"Taking into account the value of the home (which was recently remodeled), the value of the father’s business, the value of the commercial property they own, and so forth minus their mortgage and whatever they might owe on the commercial property (and other sundry debts) an educated guess would suggest that this family has a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $500,000."

The Sun story claimed the Frost's health insurance would have cost them $1,200 a month. Yet Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog does a quick internet search and finds:

"A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays. Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That's almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

No matter how you cut it, this is not a good poster-child family for the necessity of government assistance. I do hear, however, that Bill Gates is having some trouble finding affordable insurance.
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So the family should be forced to sell their house to pay for their children's medical care?

I'm sure there's no consideration given to the fact that as the value of their property rises, so too does the property tax on that property.

old_tony · Oct 10, 2007

Flying Headbutt said:

If I see one more mention of that imaginary and made up $80k figure I'm going to lock this mother fucking thread up. For the last mother fucking time, there is not one single mother fucking mention of families making $80k a year in that SCHIP bill which President Pharisee vetoed last week. For President Pharisee to go on TV and say that is one more mother fucking out and out lie that he's told us about something. FUCK!
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So you lock threads based on your politics?

Nice to know.

old_tony · Oct 10, 2007

deskslave said:

old_tony said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their lavish house sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

Wrong, tony. Wrong on history. Wrong on the facts. Unless, of course, you've determined the country doesn;t need a middle class. Which has been the presiding economic paradigm since 2000.

As long as we're linking to blogs, here's a conservative who's not a complete orc.
http://www.balloon-juice.com
Click to expand...

How about that. I never thought I'd see Fenian saying how much he loves the rich and they should get government handouts.

The name of this thread is "indefensible." And it is indefensible that the Baltimore Sun reporter didn't bother to look for any of this and instead pained the family as unable to get by without a huge government handout. Why are blogs running circles around this mainstream media outlet as far as research goes?

The Shotgun blog offers this:
"Taking into account the value of the home (which was recently remodeled), the value of the fathers business, the value of the commercial property they own, and so forth minus their mortgage and whatever they might owe on the commercial property (and other sundry debts) an educated guess would suggest that this family has a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $500,000."

The Sun story claimed the Frost's health insurance would have cost them $1,200 a month. Yet Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog does a quick internet search and finds:

"A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays. Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That's almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

No matter how you cut it, this is not a good poster-child family for the necessity of government assistance. I do hear, however, that Bill Gates is having some trouble finding affordable insurance.
Click to expand...

So the family should be forced to sell their house to pay for their children's medical care?

I'm sure there's no consideration given to the fact that as the value of their property rises, so too does the property tax on that property.
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So what?

Of course, they could elect a Republican county and city government and see their property taxes go down.

Flying Headbutt · Oct 10, 2007

old_tony said:

Flying Headbutt said:

If I see one more mention of that imaginary and made up $80k figure I'm going to lock this mother fucking thread up. For the last mother fucking time, there is not one single mother fucking mention of families making $80k a year in that SCHIP bill which President Pharisee vetoed last week. For President Pharisee to go on TV and say that is one more mother fucking out and out lie that he's told us about something. FUCK!
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So you lock threads based on your politics?

Nice to know.
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I may have exagerated, but the point is, deal with some facts if you're arguing.

Beaker · Oct 10, 2007

old_tony said:

deskslave said:

old_tony said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
3) They bought their â€œlavish houseâ€ sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
4) Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

Wrong, tony. Wrong on history. Wrong on the facts. Unless, of course, you've determined the country doesn;t need a middle class. Which has been the presiding economic paradigm since 2000.

As long as we're linking to blogs, here's a conservative who's not a complete orc.
http://www.balloon-juice.com
Click to expand...

How about that. I never thought I'd see Fenian saying how much he loves the rich and they should get government handouts.

The name of this thread is "indefensible." And it is indefensible that the Baltimore Sun reporter didn't bother to look for any of this and instead pained the family as unable to get by without a huge government handout. Why are blogs running circles around this mainstream media outlet as far as research goes?

The Shotgun blog offers this:
"Taking into account the value of the home (which was recently remodeled), the value of the father’s business, the value of the commercial property they own, and so forth minus their mortgage and whatever they might owe on the commercial property (and other sundry debts) an educated guess would suggest that this family has a net worth of somewhere in the neighbourhood of $500,000."

The Sun story claimed the Frost's health insurance would have cost them $1,200 a month. Yet Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog does a quick internet search and finds:

"A check of a quote engine for zip code 21250 (Baltimore) finds a plan for $641 with a $0 deductible and $20 doc copays. Adding a deductible of $750 (does not apply to doc visits) drops the premium to $452. That's almost a third of the price quoted in the article. Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

No matter how you cut it, this is not a good poster-child family for the necessity of government assistance. I do hear, however, that Bill Gates is having some trouble finding affordable insurance.
Click to expand...

So the family should be forced to sell their house to pay for their children's medical care?

I'm sure there's no consideration given to the fact that as the value of their property rises, so too does the property tax on that property.
Click to expand...

So what?

Of course, they could elect a Republican county and city government and see their property taxes go down.
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So you don't care that they'd have to sell their house to meet rising costs? Typical conservative attitude-ah, fuck 'em.

And if the elected Republicans are anything like Dubya, they'd get irresponsible spending and huge deficits. Which would only lead to a lack of funds for necessary social services, which is just what they need when they can't afford health insurance.

Flying Headbutt · Oct 10, 2007

And looking on the map where those people live, I'm pretty sure the'yre IN a Republican-dominated government. Baltimore County is decidedly different than Baltimore City. Hell, they put more people on death row than the rest of the state combined.

JR · Oct 10, 2007

I guess no one told our resident comedian OT that in most of the civilized world, universal health care is not considered a "government handout".

old_tony · Oct 10, 2007

JR said:

I guess no one told our resident comedian OT that in most of the civilized world, universal health care is not considered a "government handout".
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Probably because it is considered a government handout.

Under what Constitutional basis does the government pay everyone's bills?

EDIT: Under what Constitutional basis does the government pay ANYone's bills?

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