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Inside the Red Sox meltdown

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, Oct 12, 2011.

  1. Your ilk doesn't have ethics.

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  2. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Enough. Great topic here, let's stick to it. Take it to PM and have a lovely Bury the Red Sox Day.
     
  3. As dysfunctional as the Red Sox are - they are still twice the team the Nationals are.

    Bunch of wannabe's with daddy issues.
     
  4. jackfinarelli

    jackfinarelli Well-Known Member


    Good person? Probably.

    Good manager/leader of a baseball team? Francona is the guy who sat Scott Rolen in Philly on Scott Rolen Day when all the fans got Scott Rolen t-shirts.

    Makes me question his managerial/leadership acumen...
     
  5. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    World Series before Francona in the live ball era - 0
    World Series with Francona - 2

    This team had Williams, Yaz, Doerr, Rice, Lynn, Fisk, Boggs, Roger, Evans, Nomar, Tiant, Pedro and Lefty fucking Grove. So they had talent. But it wasn't until they hired the light hitting Wildcat from the asshole of Beaver County, New fucking Brighton, that they ever won anything.

    Calling him an OK manager is fucking insane. Count his rings.
     
  6. KP

    KP Active Member

    Globe wasn't pleased NESN pulled the plug on 10.0 and that NESN created it's own website and stopped feeding stuff to boston.com. But I don't remember any formal policy on not having Globe guys on NESN. Globe has always been regular in Sox pregame shows...
     
  7. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Since I can only assume the Captain of the Rumsfeld Fanbois is referencing me along with BYH here, I'll be happy to step up and say I think what the Globe did was cowardly and incredibly shoddy journalism. Truly, truly bad stuff. Even the innocuous stuff in the article reads like it was put together using the random Boston Negative Media Cliche Generator 3000, from the fucking absurd implication that this team lacked the grit of a real championship contender because only two members from the 2004 squad are still on the team (while completely ignoring the 2007 team) to the part where the author just comes out and says (w/o an attribution) that Adrian Gonzalez sucks as a leader because he didn't provide the fiery rah rah that idiots find more essential that at .957 OPS. The entire piece was put together in a cowardly way, with anonymous punks getting to say whatever they wanted and imply connections they could never support with facts simply because Francona had the balls to respond to questions about the attempt to smear him on the record. It represents so much of what's wrong with journalism today, where you can justify almost any ethical lapse in the name of hits and attention. If the Globe thought about this at all, they would have stepped back and thought: "Why are we just going to go along for the ride with someone while they attempt to slander Francona so that he may literally have a difficult time getting work again? Why are we going to offer that kind of platform and protection to someone with an obvious axe to grind? And how can we have our lead columnist pretend we had no role in the entire affair the next morning while he drops bombs on ownership for being so shady?"

    I would say, at least in my lifetime, it's a lowpoint for the Boston media. And there are a lot of moments to choose from. But this is currently in the lead and likely to stay there.

    Happy, bro?
     
  8. BYH

    BYH Active Member

    Well-said as usual. I didn't think anyone was arguing on behalf of the Globe, but I guess you have no ethics and masturbate into a Globe if you dare not to think Dan Shaughnessy watches kiddie porn while holding babies hostage.

    Still waiting for the years Shaughnessy's daughter worked for Werner. I've heard the same things, though it may just be Chris' noise filling my ears, so I won't be surprised if it's true. Just funny that no one has offered up the dates of the younger Shaughnessy's employment out west, even though it has been declared as fact. To blindly declare her Dad purposely lets Sox ownership skate b/c she interned for Werner, yet never offer tangible proof this internship ever happened, seems awfully -- I don't know, unethical? Ironic.
     
  9. BYH - Shaughnessy's daughter got a job with Tom Werner's production company back in 2005. I don't know how long the job lasted or if it resulted in any additional employment. The fact that Shaughnessy would use his connections with the team he is supposed to be covering to get a job for his kid only seems to bother me. People who cover the team I guess don't want to ask the conflict of interest questions just in case they need a job for their kids I guess.
     
  10. KP

    KP Active Member

    Kate is currently in the English Dept. at Newton North High School and is an assistant softball coach. Her email is on the staff directory so whoever wants to know what can't say they don't know how to contact her.

    The one thing I never liked about the whole intership/job whatever it was what if Dan did nothing to forward her cause and Werner/studio people took her because they wanted to take her (for whatever reasons they may have had). Why should she, an adult by this point, have to adjust her opportunities because of who her father is?
    Obviously if Dan made a pitch on her behalf then he should lay the pen down when it comes to the Sox.
     
  11. So are you inferring that they had a passive "we have your daughter" threat hanging over Shaughnessy's head? Wow - very astute observation by you. Either way - Shaughnessy worked to get his daughter job or Werner and ownership may have given the job to have a passive threat over Shaughnessy would seem like a story angle people would be interested in knowing the truth about and that some journalist should pursue. Especially now that the Globe has taken kids off the table by suggesting Francona's son and son-in-law may have been distracting him down the stretch.

    BTW - has anyone heard from Bob Hohler? Isn't it strange that he seems to have gone into hiding after the publication of this story? Are the higher-ups and connected at the Globe keeping him out of the public gaze until after the interest in these smears dies down? How come nobody seems interested in getting the "truth" from Hohler?
     
  12. KP

    KP Active Member

    Not where I was going with it at all. There's no reason to think that Werner wouldn't be genuinely interested in having her work for his company. Don't know if you've ever met her or heard her speak (usually always does something for the Jimmy Fund Telethon), bright individual.

    About the Where's Hohler, go back to Tuesday's Twitter feeds from the Globe people. Big story coming out tomorrow, going to be huge. Since the shit hit the fan...
    No doubt in my mind this is a front office job with all the makings of Larry once again, but am certainly enjoying the small groundswell of the leak being Francona's separated wife.
    The funny thing is that Hohler has been doing enterprise stuff, and now he is going do something that has really only been starting to come out in the last two weeks?
     
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