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Interesting situation in Detroit - UPDATED

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Moderator1, Jul 15, 2006.

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slappy4428 Active Member

crusoes said:

You know, I feel responsible for this. At Central, I once low-bridged Perry during a basketball game. I felt bad about it then, and worse today because of the apparent long-term effects.
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I don't know what's more surprising: You feeling bad or you playing basketball.

slappy4428, May 17, 2007

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crusoes Active Member

Define "playing."

I was joking about the being responsible. Although I did do the lowbridging. I confess because the statute of limitations is up.

Oh, and people who believe that working high school games is a snap job worthy only for hacks is as out of touch with reality as they are stupid.

crusoes, May 17, 2007

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ned racine Member

i wonder how many assignments Perry will take off from to go bowling...He is a great bowler..has a few 300 games...but the biggest joke at the Palace was figuring out what bowling alley Perry was at whenever his backup had the assignment

ned racine, May 17, 2007

#63
dcdream Member

Two words: Jayson Blair.

His punishment: FIRED.

Two more words: Mitch Albom.

His punishment: Retains job for the same offense as Blair, which was fabrication!

funky_mountain said:

dcdream said:

You got you to be kidding me dude. So Mr. Mitch's crime was not plagerism? Come on and get from under the hole you live under. I don't care if he is a money machine for the paper....he committed the same crime as Perry and should have received a similar sentence.

slappy4428 said:

nutgraph said:

perry farrell has a great case. it's definitely a double standard at the paper. this deals with which writer is more talented, mitch albom or farrell, and albom wins, no contest. but dont be ignorant to think that ethnicity didnt play a role into this whole fiasco.

racism exits. it sucks. there needs to be change.

as far as the quote, "If I was a white guy with this experience level, I'd be a columnist for a major paper" there might be some truth to that. but i look at some other african-american sports writers, with farrell's experience, like mike terry of the los angeles times, covering preps. i feel bad for these guys, because after covering pro and college beats, they're writing about pimple-faced kids. nothing wrong with preps, but this beat doesn't stroke a veterans ego.

farrell should apply for the column j.a. adande wants out from at the los angeles times if he believes he's worthy of a columnist job at a major newspaper. i don't think he is for this job. but it looks like the sports section at the los angeles times will need a much needed african-american voice after its first bolts.

it has a transgender one now. how about a latino columnist, too? an asian one, someone call tim kawakami. then randy harvey would truly boast a diverse columnist lineup. part of the issues at the los angeles times is that most of los angeles, which is predominately minority, with latinos being the majority, can't relate to the stories the paper publishes. when a paper was once above 1.1 million subscribers, and now its around 700,000, there's a disconnect with who lives in los angeles. the city is growing, above 4 million now, and the paper is going down the toilet because the paper is not reaching out to potential new readers.
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There is no racism in this case. Plagarism knows no color. The fact that it was caught by the desk before it went into the print is irrelevant. He tried to pass work that wasn't his off as his.
Period.
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i'm with twogloves ... though i'm not defending mitch. but no, his crime was not plagiarism.
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dcdream, May 17, 2007

#64
Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

dcdream said:

Two words: Jayson Blair.

His punishment: FIRED.

Two more words: Mitch Albom.

His punishment: Retains job for the same offense as Blair, which was fabrication!
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Not at all. Blair deceived his editors. Albom's editors knew what he was doing.

Frank_Ridgeway, May 17, 2007

#65
slappy4428 Active Member

I need to clarify two things: One, Saylor did not steal from LOuisville; he lifted quotes for a football story from the Toledo Blade.
Second, This is Farrell's third documented offense. The first was lifting the NBA caps. The second happened during the investigation of the FIrst offenswe, where they found he had committed the same offense the year before, but never got caught. This time was his third offense.

slappy4428, May 17, 2007

#66
Fenian_Bastard Guest

Frank_Ridgeway said:

dcdream said:

Two words: Jayson Blair.

His punishment: FIRED.

Two more words: Mitch Albom.

His punishment: Retains job for the same offense as Blair, which was fabrication!
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Not at all. Blair deceived his editors. Albom's editors knew what he was doing.
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Is that true?
If it is, holy fuck.

Fenian_Bastard, May 17, 2007

#67
Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

More or less. I mean someone had to look at Albom's story and say, "ya know, the game isn't until tomorrow."

Flying Headbutt, May 17, 2007

#68
Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

Fenian_Bastard said:

Frank_Ridgeway said:

dcdream said:

Two words: Jayson Blair.

His punishment: FIRED.

Two more words: Mitch Albom.

His punishment: Retains job for the same offense as Blair, which was fabrication!
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Not at all. Blair deceived his editors. Albom's editors knew what he was doing.
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Is that true?
If it is, holy fuck.
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You have someone filing a column Friday about an event Saturday for the paper Sunday. The SE read it, two copy editors read it, and then someone from the editorial pages (where it ran) read it:

http://support.comm.psu.edu/~ethics/case6.html

There was no intent to deceive anyone in-house.

Frank_Ridgeway, May 17, 2007

#69
Oz Well-Known Member

Flying Headbutt said:

More or less. I mean someone had to look at Albom's story and say, "ya know, the game isn't until tomorrow."
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Which is what made that situation so much more despicable.

Oz, May 17, 2007

#70
Twoback Active Member

poke said:

By the way, I wouldn't say that the NBA was Mitch's first transgression. There was a Dance With Death column on Opening Day one year in which he wrote about missing the Tiger game becuase he was a dry cleaners that was robbed and he was locked up. Turned out he actually dropped by later and heard about it and wrote it like he was part of the incident. Believe it was killed before it showed up in the Freep, but it went out on the Knight-Ridder wire and was used by some papers.
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I read that piece on the Knight wire -- and it was what convinced me he was an amazing writer. Are you sure on your history here?

Twoback, May 17, 2007

#71
Twoback Active Member

dcdream said:

Two words: Jayson Blair.

His punishment: FIRED.

Two more words: Mitch Albom.

His punishment: Retains job for the same offense as Blair, which was fabrication!

funky_mountain said:

dcdream said:

You got you to be kidding me dude. So Mr. Mitch's crime was not plagerism? Come on and get from under the hole you live under. I don't care if he is a money machine for the paper....he committed the same crime as Perry and should have received a similar sentence.

slappy4428 said:

nutgraph said:

perry farrell has a great case. it's definitely a double standard at the paper. this deals with which writer is more talented, mitch albom or farrell, and albom wins, no contest. but dont be ignorant to think that ethnicity didnt play a role into this whole fiasco.

racism exits. it sucks. there needs to be change.

as far as the quote, "If I was a white guy with this experience level, I'd be a columnist for a major paper" there might be some truth to that. but i look at some other african-american sports writers, with farrell's experience, like mike terry of the los angeles times, covering preps. i feel bad for these guys, because after covering pro and college beats, they're writing about pimple-faced kids. nothing wrong with preps, but this beat doesn't stroke a veterans ego.

farrell should apply for the column j.a. adande wants out from at the los angeles times if he believes he's worthy of a columnist job at a major newspaper. i don't think he is for this job. but it looks like the sports section at the los angeles times will need a much needed african-american voice after its first bolts.

it has a transgender one now. how about a latino columnist, too? an asian one, someone call tim kawakami. then randy harvey would truly boast a diverse columnist lineup. part of the issues at the los angeles times is that most of los angeles, which is predominately minority, with latinos being the majority, can't relate to the stories the paper publishes. when a paper was once above 1.1 million subscribers, and now its around 700,000, there's a disconnect with who lives in los angeles. the city is growing, above 4 million now, and the paper is going down the toilet because the paper is not reaching out to potential new readers.
Click to expand...

There is no racism in this case. Plagarism knows no color. The fact that it was caught by the desk before it went into the print is irrelevant. He tried to pass work that wasn't his off as his.
Period.
Click to expand...

Click to expand...

i'm with twogloves ... though i'm not defending mitch. but no, his crime was not plagiarism.
Click to expand...

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The difference between what Jayson Blair did and what Albom did is the difference between murder and speeding.
Both against the law.
Not the same thing.

Twoback, May 17, 2007

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