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Is it just me or are today's younger journalists lazy?

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by bigugly, Dec 14, 2006.

  1. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    I believe the modern gamer, as presently consitituted, needs to die. I didn't feel that way five years ago.
     
  2. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    I'd agree, except with the design fucktards waiting in the wings, it's be the Yeats equivalent of Greek mythology being replaced by a hybrid of Jim Jones and Jim Bakker.
     
  3. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Our visual aesthetes would love the death of the gamer. More breezy centerpieces.
     
  4. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Mannn ... I know this is going to fall on deaf ears, but anyway...

    Not every editor trying to put out aesthetically pleasing pages is running counter-productive to good journalism. The better ones put the written word FIRST.

    DP, I know you've run into the non-journalistic designers out there, and you obviously haven't dealt with many of the better kind. That is clear.

    But to paint them all with the same brush is no more valid than me saying that everyone who has reservations about the future of journalism is a bitter old man.
     
  5. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    An empty argument, since the industry is doing little or nothing to put forward that approach in a concrete manner.

    I hear the lip service all the time. I see the deeds rarely.
     
  6. Frank_Ridgeway

    Frank_Ridgeway Well-Known Member

    The Miami Herald used to hire word people and turned them into layout people because they wanted the words always to come first. If you couldn't cut it on the editing test, you weren't going to work on the sports desk no matter how pretty your portfolio looked. In fact, the SE looked at one of my layouts during my interview and said, "We're not running an art gallery, we run news photos." I don't think they do that anymore, and I'm not sure it would be possible to do that all the time now that design has, for good or ill, become more sophisticated. But I think it's pretty unlikely that you could take a pure design specialist and teach him or her a healthy respect for words and news judgment. In my experience that doesn't happen.
     
  7. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    I've seen the attempts, though. They're pretty ugly.

    They're also precisely what I'm talking about.
     
  8. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Well, there wasn't much point in hoping you'd loosen your stance anyway.
     
  9. Crimson Tide

    Crimson Tide Member

    I've determined that I'm not lazy. My SE is.

    I want to write more stories and write bigger and better stories. My obstacle in this is that my SE came from a 5K daily p.m. and can't see a sports section beyond gamers and stats.

    I have a dozen story ideas for features, series, enterprise, news. None of these sports stories would have a single score in them. They're profiles on people we normally wouldn't cover because they don't play the mainstream sports. They're stories on athletics and funding. They're stories on the possible shakeup of the entire state's structure.

    They may not be groundbreaking for many of you, but those kinds of stories haven't been written here.

    But he can't see beyond daily gamers and stats. With our tiny staff, there's no way to do both without a massive amount of overtime. I don't mind working over 40, but the ME minds paying me for it.

    So, I'm at a crossroads. I'm giving him an ultimatum this week when he gets back (third vacation in six months): either learn to expand your vision or here's a month's notice.

    If they let me go without batting an eyelash, then I'll know that the job is not worth having.

    So, DyePack is right. Damn the torpedoes.
     
  10. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    jesus buck, and we wonder why everyone voted for you.

    "If you overlook the business part of this business -- the business will overlook you." you should turn that shit into a tune ... and then i could make eddie wilson look bad when i said: "words and music buck, words and music."

    the dark side's callin' now nothin' is real.
     
  11. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Sorry to break this to you Crimson, but they will let you go without batting an eyelash.
    Doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong, just means they don't really care what you think.
     
  12. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    depressed industry - labor is cheap - management is rudderless

    start a blog crimson

    report a blockbuster and post it on your own site
     
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