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Is Mitt running for president again?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    He must've taken AP US History. :D
     
  2. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    "I know it's a horrible thing to say, but ..." Another GOP appeal to the lowest common denominator. Imagine that.
     
  3. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    The Republicans are going to be in for a heckuva shock when they wake up on Jan. 21, 2017 and realize that the country still exists.
     
  4. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    I look forward to the GOP leadership standing up for the President and blasting the cross-dresser for his remark; much like they expect all Muslim leaders to stand up and criticise Islamist extremists.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Does the President love America as it was founded, and is it is today?

    The President may love America's promise, or the America he foresees, but he clearly thinks America was flawed from its inception by slavery, and further by Jim Crow.

    His influences, Saul Alinsky, Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, and Rev. Wright do/did not love America do/did they? They either worked to overthrow it, or they damned it.

    His mother loved America so much she left it.

    His wife was never proud of America until her husband ran for President.

    I think all of us envision a better America, but most of us do value America's place in the world. We value America's leadership. We value the influence America has had on the world.

    Reagan saw America as a shining city on a hill. Does Obama view it this way? He often seems embarrassed by America, and our history. He apologizes for America, and our history, or he tries to make countries lacking in liberty feel better about their place in the world by comparing their flaws to ours. He's done this with the Chinese. He's done it at the UN. He's done it in front of Muslim audiences, and he did it a couple of weeks ago at the Prayer Breakfast.

    Giuliani was interviewed again today. I'm not sure whether to say he "walked back" his comments or that he "doubled down".

    He modified the language, but still made the same broader point.

    Obama is far more often an apologist for, and a critic of, America, than he is a proud proponent of our values, our history, and our place in the world.
     
  6. EddieM

    EddieM Member

    I would hope anyone could find fault with aspects of America's past. If loving America means blindly ignoring its mistakes, missteps, and misguided moments, then I don't love America either. I've always felt that those who love a country would seek to improve it, and to make it live up to its values.

    Just because I think we aren't quite there yet doesn't mean I (or the president, or Michelle, or the homeless man in East Village) don't love my country.
     
  7. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    The president clearly doesn't know which facts about America he must ignore in order to be considered patriotic.
     
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  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I'm also embarrassed by America's history.

    And the idea that Rev. Wright was an influence is as laughable as the articulate "Dr." Carson not believing in evolution.
     
  9. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    Time to mix a cocktail maybe?
     
  10. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member


    What I always find typical of conservatives is how they screech about Rev. Wright damning America from the two lines that he said.

    What they always ignore is the whole paragraph, which give a considerable context to what he was saying.:

    "And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing "God Bless America". No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Good Go Dick, he called Wright an influence.

    Wright helped bring Obama to his Christian faith -- according to President Obama.

    He named his book after a Wright sermon.

    He sat in his Church for 17 years.

    How are you going to argue that he's not an influence.
     
  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Theorem: The Rev. Wright was not an influence on Barack Hussein Obama.

    Proof:

    1) Wright likely does not "believe in" the scientifically accepted depictions of evolution (witness his explanations of the origin of HIV/AIDS)

    2) Barack Hussein Obama, like all graduates of up-market law schools, is especially learned in all things science

    3) Men of science cannot be influenced by witch-doctors quoting centuries-old fairy tales

    Q.E.D.
     
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