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Is RG3 done?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Mr. Sunshine, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Great with a capital G.
     
  2. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Another great quote from Garcon, who recently opened up a new pizza joint in the area....

    @MikeJonesWaPo Garcon (owed 9.7M in '15) isnt worried about future. "I love playing. I can’t do nothing else. Selling pizzas ain't going to make a living."
     
  3. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    Counterpoint: it was NC State. (runs away cackling)
     
  4. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    Ding ding ding.

    I don't think either quarterback has a second act and that's so crucial. After the initial success, what is the counter punch once the defensive coordinators figure out how to stop your preferred method of moving the ball?
     
  5. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    You've got to let Kaep be the guy he was in '12. Let him run, run, run as often as he throws, throws, throws. Take those gazelle'ian legs as far as they'll take you. His body screams to be a runner in the NFL. Let him run, and if you only get 4-5-6 quality years out of him because he breaks down, so be it, at least you got 4-5-6 quality years. Trying to turn him into this great pocket passer so late into his football career isn't happening, unless he works hard to understand how to become one.

    The only reason Griffin sucks is because of the knee injury. If that doesn't happen, who knows how the last 2 years play out as a passer-runner-scrambler.
     
  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I'd argue about that being the only reason.

    But even if it is ... running quarterbacks get hurt. That's why they don't work in the NFL. The injury was not some unforeseeable freak occurrence.
     
  7. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    But I was told The Pistol and zone read would change the NFL as we know it.
     
  8. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    But you have to assume he has the same kind of season in '13. Sure injuries are part of the problem for running QBs but you live with it. He could wreck a knee dropping back and getting sacked the wrong way by 2 guys. Knees gonna wreck one way or the other.

    Kaep is healthy though, so just let him be a freebird till he comes crashing down.
     
  9. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Incorrect.
     
  10. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Jason Reid (WaPo columnist) made a good point on the radio this morning: Griffin, even at his best, never had the makings of a great scrambler because he's not ELUSIVE.

    He had superhuman speed, but he always ran like a track star, not a football player. Once that speed was gone, he had no other running skills to fall back on.
     
  11. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I don't think there gets to be that kind of counterpoint -- "incorrect" -- because the knee injury ruined his game.

    He was a threat, which allowed Morris to be a threat -- 2,428 yards between them -- which gave them all kinds of other possibilities on offense.
     
  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    The SF Chronicle had a good story on that -- talked to Steve Young and Rich Gannon, who said (especially Young) all that running early in the career hinders a quarterback's development. He recalls how Bill Walsh basically had to beat out of him the instinct to take off when something broke down.

    http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Mobility-may-be-hindering-development-of-5911745.php?cmpid=twitter-mobile

    Young points to two legendary lead-footed quarterbacks — New England’s Tom Brady and Denver’s Peyton Manning — as masters who entered the NFL with an edge on their more athletic peers. Young doesn’t minimize the exhaustive work they’ve put in to perfect their craft. But they also immediately knew they had no choice but to enroll in QB 101, a high-level course that takes years of mind-numbing study to complete.

    This topic is relevant Sunday with the 49ers hosting Washington at Levi’s Stadium. The game features young dual-threat quarterbacks in the 49ers’ Colin Kaepernick and Washington’s Robert Griffin III. Young believes they could dominate the NFL if they earn their Ph.D. in QB, a degree he says is required to win a Super Bowl.

    “The longer I’m around, the more I know this stuff is true,” Young said. “Because I watch the damage that Peyton and Tom do. I watch Tom with, hmm, some guy at running back and some guy at receiver, and he’s dominating. Because he’s such a master at this stuff. Football can become easy if you’re willing to do it. It’s easier for Tom to say (I’m going to do the work) because he didn’t have a choice. It’s much more difficult of a proposal for guys like Colin and RG III. They’re saying, 'Well, that’s all well and good, but they can’t do what I can do.’”
     
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