Israel and Leba-nin

Listen very carefully.

The Democrats control NOTHING.

Not the Oval Office.

Not the Senate.

Not the House.

Not the Supreme Court.

Ted Kennedy "complaining" about something is light years away from Ted Kennedy and 50 other senators actually having the numbers to DO something about it.

I swear, you guys will NOT be satisfied until you get a 100-0 margin in the Senate, a 538-0 margin in the House, 9 conservative Supreme Court justices and the fucking New York Post becoming the "newspaper of record."

 

So who caves first, Israel or Hezbollah?

 

In the current war, Hezbollah. But terrorists will never go away. Even if/when Hezbollah eases up, they'll be back soon with a vengance.

 

Do you think the Republicans would have fallen in line behind President Al Gore after 9/11, especially if he'd frozen for seven minutes, flown from rabbit hole to rabbit hole for most of the day, made up a lie about why, and later was revealed to have ignored a briefing book entitled, "bin L:aden determined to strike in United States." Balls. They'd have been a bill of impeachment voted within a month,
Otherwise, your history is interesting. I find legends from other planets endlessly fascinating. Al Gore, a Communist.

 

You're a fucktard, Fenian. There's no concealing it.

 

Well said, you creepy, scabies-ridden, no-sex-having, Cheetos-stained little troll.
Go find a slug to argue with.

 

Great retort.

Fenian 1, Dye 0. Game over.

 

I don't want to get the rhetoric flowing, but I was curious.
Raise your hand if the follow the "great man" theory of history -- where the right person at the right time can really  make a difference -- or if you believe that history would have happened anyway, regardless of who was or wasn't in charge.
You see, I believe in great man and that doesn't mean that great is good.
An overwhelming body of evidence suggests that if Hitler hadn't risen to power in Germany, then WWII as we now know it wouldn't have happened. Conditions would have been right for other regional conflicts: America vs. Japan in the Pacific is one example.
But I think that Batman is arguing that 9/11 would have happened if Gore had been in office instead of Bush.
Is that right? Because that is what I took from my read.
That's why history is such a funny thing. You could make a compelling argument that if Gore had transitioned into the White House, and kept the same rough set of advisors and statesmen, then maybe, 9/11 doesn't happen or at least the way we know it unfolded now.
If you don't have an attack, then FEMA doesn't get disbanded. The hurricanes still happen, but the response is the sturdy James Lee Witt-led one and, maybe, you don't have the debacle.
Studying great man history is fun. Kinda like the long chains of dominoes. If the tile falls one way, it sets off a long chain, but if it goes the other, then you could have an entirely different chain.

 

I think 9/11 was going to happen no matter what. I'd assume they were planning that shit long before Bush took office.

 

I keep glancing at the thread title and reading it as "Israel and Lesbian."

 

Actually, this presents a welcome break from the rhetoric.
I think the "Great Man" theory has some merit to it, but only to a certain point. Using World War II as an example, Hitler was a great leader in his ability to rally people to his cause. However, his faults (the psychopathic tendencies, obsession with anihilating certain groups, overbearing control, etc.) ultimately led to his downfall. If he had, say, been killed on some World War I battlefield, I think the conditions were still ripe for a second world war. And maybe instead of the flawed Hitler, a more skilled German leader comes to the fore (like Rommel, or one of the other Nazi higher-ups who still had the psychosis Hitler had, but didn't make so many bad tactical decisions).
Similarly, you can probably go back 70 or 80 years to find the root causes of our current terrorism problem, and not all of them involve the United States. The U.S. has probably taken some actions in that area -- necessary for our survival and well-being -- that made it a target. But by the time Bush took office, the 9/11 plot was already being planned. Barring a lucky break, events to that point probably would have unfolded the same way. After that, who knows? Maybe Gore does a 180, finds his nuts and goes from super environmentalist to the great anti-terror leader we need. Maybe he takes a different route than the Homeland Security Agency to prevent future attacks, and FEMA isn't disbanded. Or maybe he sees the same sort of information Bush has had during his presidency, comes to the same conclusions and follows the same path.
Personally, I think things would have played out pretty much the same, and we'd have Republicans bashing Gore instead of Dems bashing Bush. The problems we're having now run far deeper than who is currently in the Oval Office. They're more the result of a vast number of decisions and actions made over the last century than the last decade.

 

There are 435 members of the House. If you can't get the basics right, your opinions don't count for much.