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It seems Deadspin is about to go guns blazing at ESPN re: sex rumors

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by KVV, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    If that's all it would have taken, I'd have dug up the Muppets long ago...
     
  2. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member

    All this because he was upset that a company didn't comment on a personnel matter, which companies rarely comment on?

    As for the legal stuff, having some secondhand experience with dicey stories, I do know that while the stuff might have been presented to the lawyers and the lawyers gave their say, in the end Gawker/Deadspin can do whatever the hell they want. The lawyers will simply let them know what the risks are with doing it, and might be quite upset if they do go ahead with it. But just because it did appear on the site, doesn't necessarily mean it has the lawyer's approval.
     
  3. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    Stick around a while, DD. You are missed.

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    (I have no idea what this picture has to do with my point. Am I Sweetums longing for Kermit, i.e. Double Down, to return? Or am I projecting that Double Down is Sweetums longing for a return to SJ, embodied by Kermit The Frog? Or is it just a pathetic stab at posting a Muppets picture, and one with an obscurantist Muppet character at that? Discuss.)
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Been thinking about this today. It was a calculated decision. ... but if Deadspin believed what it had is true, they probably banked on ESPN not suing. ESPN has taken so much bad PR for sexual harassment problems over the years, and this new batch of bad Steve Philips PR isn't doing ESPN any favors either. Gawker had to figure ESPN has more to lose from the negative attention a law suit would bring, than from the satisfaction of suing and creating legal problems and the associated costs for Nick Denton. A lawsuit by ESPN would just keep stories of sexual trysts in Bristol in the news, and right or wrong, from a PR standpoint ESPN needs no part of that--with it's history it's the last thing they could possibly want. So Gawker had to figure that it had some latitude on this one. ESPN is in a bad spot. If they sue or protest loudly they are going to shine a spotlight on themselves. The problem is they don't want that spotlight because it will also bring all of their negative history back into focus, too.
     
  5. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Do you know what "actual malice" is in the context of defamation law?
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It simply means that you knew the information was false and you published it anyhow. Or you had no clue if it was true or false, and you published with reckless disregard for whether it was false.
     
  7. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Lean toward the ladder?

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  8. SoCalString

    SoCalString Member

    I would say this passage constitutes the latter, hence my problem with any of this being published today. Daulerio prefaced all these accusations that he's aware they may or may not be true.

    I think your previous post, Big Ragu, was spot-on though. It might not be worth it for ESPN to pursue anything since it will put a spotlight on their HR practices and employees' personal lives. This seems analogous to a low-level boxer calling out the champ to anyone who will listen. It's not worth it for the champ to fight a chump - if he wins, so what? But if he loses, it completely decimates him. The chump challenger has nothing to lose but gains notoriety so in a way, has already won. It's an unfortunate and unethical way to operate a media outlet, though.

    Point of Order...I'm incredibly embarrassed. Good catch! :D
     
  9. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Re: Defamation

    1. My remedies prof (an old dog; been through a lot of battles) just last week: Never bring a defamation case. They're never worth it.

    2. Last week my employer company defended a defamation case that went to trial. The plaintiff was a small-time businessman. We won.

    3. I covered a defamation case as a writer. The jury handed out a $30 million verdict for the plaintiff. The judge set it aside and the plaintiffs got nothing.

    4. Defamation law and its intersection with the First Amendment is one of the more complicated areas of the law I've come across. There is great imprecision about how to draw the line between public/private figures, matters of public concern, reckless disregard for the truth, etc. For example, in the defamation trial I covered, the court ruled that the recruiting coordinator on a major D-I coaching staff was a public figure but that the running backs coach on the very same staff was not a public figure. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

    The bottom line for me is too complicated to discuss in an off-the-cuff way without knowing specific facts and case law for the particular jurisdiction where a claim might be brought. If it was so clear cut there wouldn't be a need for high-priced lawyers.
     
  10. Brian Cook

    Brian Cook Member

    I can't believe that this thread is even close to split on the topic. This place is always prone to jump on blogs for a lack of ethics, and this is literally the worst thing the blogosphere has ever done. Leaving aside how richly ESPN deserves it or not, Deadspin is outing people who did nothing particularly wrong without even bothering to do cursory fact-checking on the scurrilous emails it gets. As a blogger, I'm outraged at this garbage.
     
  11. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see Deadspin expose how ESPN Classic became the place for the worst college football matchups on Saturdays. That would be a public service. Who's fucking who? Not so much. And I wouldn't call the veep a public figure.

    Also, think about the challenge ESPN would face in court: There's a constitutional amendment favoring a free press; there's not one favoring freedom from defamation.
     
  12. Piotr Rasputin

    Piotr Rasputin New Member

    Exist.
     
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