It's a peace loving religion, 'cept for the 5,000 women killed annually

Dammit --
You fucking dunce, who said that?

And only members of Hizbollah wear headdresses?

 

Dude, where in the hell did he actually say this was the fault of Christians?

 

The implication here is that we're using the "people killed in the name of every religion" excuse. So we're going to fault the inquisition and crusades for this? The Romans?

Moderate Islam says they don't want this. Christians aren't suicide bombers. Hindus keep to themselves. Buddhists aren't calling for the end to Hinduism.

So I prefer to focus on Islam, the radical element that wants the destruction of Western society and all other religions and moderate Islam which needs to get control of their closest brethren....if they are the civilized people they proclaim to be.

 

No further questions, your honor.  Well stated.

By chance, can we call this "small minority of Muslims" ragheads? Might it be milder than getting our heads cut off?

 

Which still doesn't mean we're placing all the blame on Christians. But the point is, throughout history, virtually every religion has reputation for killing in the name of <insert diety name>. Portions of Islam might be in the crosshairs right now because what they're doing is still ongoing, but to pretend we can ignore history -- or indeed mention it as Hondo seems to suggest -- because it's not happening RIGHT NOW is insane.

 

No one is blaming Christians. I was merely pointing out the problems that can ensue whe the fundamentalists, right-wing zealots take command.

 

Off the top of my head:

Sabra and Shatila
Northern Ireland
Oklahoma City
Any abortion clinic bombing in the past 20 years

Acting like the Crusades were the only act of Christian terrorism is such a tired trope.

And before anyone jumps in, yes, the majority of terrorist actions TODAY are perpetrated by Muslim extremists. That doesn't mean it's the fault of Islam, just that that's where repressive regimes have taken hold.

 

The catch phrase is "can ensue".  Nothing near this sort links right-wing fundamentalist Christians here with Islamic terrorist groups.  Call me when we're sending suicide bombers into Democrat headquarters.  

In America, both sides push power with cash...which has problems in and of itself.  But at least they have mutual respect for human life.

 

So, you think by getting the repressive Saudi royals and such out of control that these oppressed people will settle down?  I think there's SOME OF US who wish that we'd never disrupted Saddam Hussein's rule in Iraq because of the mess it's created.

Bottom line is you can't possibly have an end to this shit until the terrorist threat element is rooted out of the region.  Otherwise, the iron-fist monarchies are about our best bets for some sense of civility.

 

Really? Gangland killings, racially-motivated killings, homophobic killings, killing people for cutting you off in traffic, etc. We're not without our senseless killings here in America, and I'd venture to guess given the number of homicides here which could be counted as "senseless" would be pretty big. Maybe not approaching 5,000 a year, but it's a big number just the same.

And since when did the actual body count make that much of a difference. If 5 abortion doctors are killed in the course of a year here, while it doesn't equal 5,000 over there, it's still too high a number. And it's still motivated by hatred and often through a religious motivation. That's the argument, not the number.

 

Yep. I walk the streets daily fearful of being around government buildings and abortion clinics. Happens every day.

On the other hand....in the Muddled East......

 

While I don't disagree that an iron-fisted rule was the only thing holding some of those countries together, I fail to see how that has bearing on whether people on this thread are blaming Christians.

It seems to me what you mean to blame is third-world nations where oppression and poverty combine to make extremism more palatable. After all, you said yourself that the difference in America is money. Why stir up the populace when gas is headed for $4 a gallon?

And, as alley so eloquently said, even with such vested interests, we manage to kill our fair share of people over here in paradise.