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It's the speculators!!! (yup, oil again)

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by The Big Ragu, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    With the energy markets in such flux, I have invested our every penny in whale oil futures. I await word from New Bedford.
     
  2. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Folks - the price of USO today $ 59.37 - hope y'all did not take Ragu's advise. Price when he put his "Buy" recommendation in $115.
     
  3. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Oh, great. WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ALL THIS OIL??
     
  4. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    Given the results, I think I'd have to put more faith in Boom's alternative weeklys than whatever sources you were relying on. The only question that really matters at this point is who ended up being right.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are correct, sir. And I am 100 percent correct when I say that anyone who alleges price-manipulation in the global crude oil market, has NO proof of it. It sounded great when gas was expensive. It is also ridiculous. These markets are heavily regulated in the U.S. by the CFTC and the SEC and no actual person--just boogeymen--has been accused of anything, let alone prosecuted. It also sounds ridiculous today, when the price of oil has been sliced in half, as one would expect when economic activity comes to a screeching halt the way it has. If the price was being manipulated then, why isn't being manipulated now?

    *crickets*
     
  6. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member


    Once again you show that you don't know what you are talking about.

    The Enron Loophole exempted the energy markets from CFTC regulation:

    The "Enron loophole" exempts most over-the-counter energy trades and trading on electronic energy commodity markets from government regulation.[1] The "loophole" is so-called as it was drafted by Enron Corporation lobbyists working with U.S. Senator Phil Gramm to create a deregulated market for their experimental "Enron On-line" initiative.[2]

    The "loophole" was enacted in sections (h)(3) and (g) of the Commodity Exchange Act, 7 U.S.C. as a result of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, signed by U.S. president Bill Clinton on December 21, 2000.[1] It allowed for the creation, for U.S. exchanges, of a new kind of derivative security, the single-stock future, which had been prohibited since 1982 under the Shad-Johnson Accord, a jurisdictional pact between John S.R. Shad, then chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, and Phil Johnson, then chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.



    In July Congress closed this loophole and new law that regulates Energy Markets went into effect on 9/30. Perhaps this regulation is already having an effect on prices.

    More likely though is that some of the major players like Morgan Stanley are having credit problems and are not as active in the oil futures market as they were in the spring.
     
  7. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    I have staked our fortunes shorting ambergris on the Nantucket markets. Will I make a success?
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Bad move. The ambergris market is being manipulated. Do your research. It began when a mail room clerk from Enron met one of Coco Chanel's heirs...
     
  9. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Not if Obama gets elected. He is a big supporter of Save the Whales. The market will be oversupplied and prices will tank.
     
  10. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    Woe! We are ruined! Had I but followed father into the steady trade of the cod markets! Fish liver oil! A treasure of stability for any family!
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Omega 2 should be part of everyones diet.
     
  12. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    My greed has brought me low! I am inconsolable!
     
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