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It's Watch!... Neighborhood Watch. Not shoot.

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    YankeeFan, you are Concerned.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I still believe the initial bungling of the case and the non-collection of evidence is going to mean acquittal. I don't think any judge is going to want to be the one to be seen as halting the wheels of justice, though.
     
  3. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    You're right. We'll never be able to advance as a people when people make broad statements without facts.

    Oh, wait.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am speaking without benefit of all of the evidence. But if there is an acquittal, it is most likely due to her overcharging it after the original police investigation led to no charges. I imagine a good defense attorney can get some mileage out of them going all the way from no charges to second degree murder charges.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Have I disputed this?

    I've only said that the goal should be fair, impartial, and color blind justice system.

    Just going by the numbers, it would seem that is not the everyone's goal.

    Why aren't more people working towards that goal?

    Zimmerman may very well be guilty of 2nd degree murder. I hope the criminal justice system plays out in a way that will successfully determine that.

    But, you can't help but look at numbers like those in the Washington Post poll and think that some innocent white person will be convicted, or some guilty African-American will be exonerated in the name of "justice".

    But, that wouldn't be justice. It would be the opposite, a perversion of justice. But, it seems that will be enough for some -- better even.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Why shouldn't I be?

    When people look at our justice system like a hockey game, where we expect the ref to blow the whistle on each side, and keep the penalties somewhat in line, that's a concern.

    We should demand the best from our criminal justice system. And, by and large, I do think it works.

    But, the question was asked about repairing "race relations". Well, if convicting an innocent white person, or acquitting a guilty African-American is what is necessary to repair those relations, well, then I'm not sure the fix is any better than the "problem".

    The outcome isn't what's important. Justice is. We should work to get it right, not to make sure the numbers match up.
     
  7. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    +1. The professor nails it.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    One of my best friends is black (I know, the last words of many a white man), college educated and generally a reasonable guy. If I call him up right now and say, "OJ, innocent or guilty?" he will argue to the last word that the man is innocent.
     
  9. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Usually, charging 2nd degree murder includes a lesser included charge of voluntary manslaughter but the prosecution and/or defense sometimes takes that out as a possible compromise for the jurors and make it take it or leave it murder charge. We'll find out.

    If I'm a judge, I don't think I would let anyone argue about no initial charge or delay in charging. The point of a trial is to ascertain the facts and apply them to the applicable law. Whether he's charged now or 10 years from now is not supposed to be a consideration, because really does that show what happened? No. That's why speculation/passionate arguments are not supposed to be considered and why there are so many things that are excluded from a juror's consideration.

    Do you really want someone's life to be determined in part on the basis of what a police chief in his office THOUGHT happened? No, that's supposed to be decided by the trier of fact, the jury or judge.
     
  10. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    You know it was OJ's son right?
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Still wouldn't explain the DNA evidence. Problem with your post is that he won't even concede that there was a black man without 300 miles of Los Angeles that night.
     
  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Will they execute Zimmerman tomorrow or will the protestors demand he be tortured first?
     
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