It's Watch!... Neighborhood Watch. Not shoot.

old_tony · Jul 4, 2013

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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You trying to battle Small Potatoes for dumbest post of this thread?

BenPoquette · Jul 4, 2013

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
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Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.

old_tony · Jul 4, 2013

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
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Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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But ... but ... but ... he's white. Just ask the New York Times.

Smallpotatoes · Jul 5, 2013

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
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Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.

HejiraHenry · Jul 5, 2013

Smallpotatoes said:

StaggerLee said:

Smallpotatoes said:

Regardless, nobody should be able to shoot and kill somebody, then claim self-defense, no questions asked.
That's what's wrong about the "stand your ground" law.
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But he's not getting off...no questions asked. They're asking a lot of questions. He's being tried for murder. It's not like he shot the kid and went on with his life.

I realize there's a very emotional aspect of this case, and I get that.
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He was going to get off, no questions asked, until the media started paying attention to the case.
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Phrased a little differently, "the police knew from the start there was no real case here, until political pressure ginned up the need to turn this into a media show trial," I would agree with you.

BenPoquette · Jul 5, 2013

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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If he feared for his life, should he have just taken his getting killed and moved on? Well, not really "moved on," but you know what I mean. That's the issue...Zimmerman said he feared for his life and claims Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight." So, no, I don't think you can say he should have just taken his ass-beating.

That's the heart of the defense...that Zimmerman feared for his life after being ambushed. The eyewitness said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him "MMA-style." Martin told him he was going to die. If this is all true, and the prosecution has done absolutely nothing to prove it wasn't true, he was well within his rights.

The reason this was brought to a trial in the first place is simple. I could explain it, but I suggest you go re-read the first eight or so pages of this thread. That will tell you all you need to know about how this was initially presented by an agenda-driven media.

Baron Scicluna · Jul 5, 2013

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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How was he to know that he would just get his ass beat? All it takes is one punch, or fall in the wrong spot, and he could have wound up dead, or a vegetable.

ifilus · Jul 5, 2013

BenPoquette said:

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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If he feared for his life, should he have just taken his getting killed and moved on? Well, not really "moved on," but you know what I mean. That's the issue...Zimmerman said he feared for his life and claims Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight." So, no, I don't think you can say he should have just taken his ass-beating.

That's the heart of the defense...that Zimmerman feared for his life after being ambushed. The eyewitness said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him "MMA-style." Martin told him he was going to die. If this is all true, and the defense has done absolutely nothing to prove it wasn't true, he was well within his rights.

The reason this was brought to a trial in the first place is simple. I could explain it, but I suggest you go re-read the first eight or so pages of this thread. That will tell you all you need to know about how this was initially presented by an agenda-driven media.
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Why would the defense want to prove the defendant is a liar?

Inky_Wretch · Jul 5, 2013

Zimmerman's attorney seems to be rambling during this request for acquittal.

Smallpotatoes · Jul 5, 2013

BenPoquette said:

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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If he feared for his life, should he have just taken his getting killed and moved on? Well, not really "moved on," but you know what I mean. That's the issue...Zimmerman said he feared for his life and claims Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight." So, no, I don't think you can say he should have just taken his ass-beating.

That's the heart of the defense...that Zimmerman feared for his life after being ambushed. The eyewitness said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him "MMA-style." Martin told him he was going to die. If this is all true, and the prosecution has done absolutely nothing to prove it wasn't true, he was well within his rights.

The reason this was brought to a trial in the first place is simple. I could explain it, but I suggest you go re-read the first eight or so pages of this thread. That will tell you all you need to know about how this was initially presented by an agenda-driven media.
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He would not have been killed.

StaggerLee · Jul 5, 2013

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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If he feared for his life, should he have just taken his getting killed and moved on? Well, not really "moved on," but you know what I mean. That's the issue...Zimmerman said he feared for his life and claims Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight." So, no, I don't think you can say he should have just taken his ass-beating.

That's the heart of the defense...that Zimmerman feared for his life after being ambushed. The eyewitness said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him "MMA-style." Martin told him he was going to die. If this is all true, and the prosecution has done absolutely nothing to prove it wasn't true, he was well within his rights.

The reason this was brought to a trial in the first place is simple. I could explain it, but I suggest you go re-read the first eight or so pages of this thread. That will tell you all you need to know about how this was initially presented by an agenda-driven media.
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He would not have been killed.
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Again, you know that for a fact, HOW?

I mean, if you really want to assume, try to assume on both sides of the coin, not just one.

Smallpotatoes · Jul 5, 2013

StaggerLee said:

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

Smallpotatoes said:

BenPoquette said:

StaggerLee said:

hondo said:

StaggerLee said:

Drip said:

I think if he gets off in the courts, street justice would hold it's own trial.
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Yeah, and that will solve all the problems.

Is there street justice in Chicago? More black teens are killed in Chicago in one day than have died in Sanford, Florida in the last five years.

Come on, man.
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Let me preface this: None of this would happen if George Zimmerman hadn't been a paranoid wannabe cop. He didn't catch Trayvon Martin burglarizing a house or car. He didn't catch him vandalizing anything. While we know now that Trayvon was hardly an angel, he wasn't doing anything that night except walking home. Zimmerman needs to do time, if for nothing else but interjecting himself into a situation the police asked him not to.

That said, it's pretty tough to find justice in a situation where one side is only going to accept one decision, or else there will be violence. At least if you believe the rantings on Twitter and Facebook.

By the way, where is Facebook and Twitter on these posts and pages threatening violence? Isn't that at least against their regulations if not the law?
Click to expand...

Totally agree with you. It's going to be an all-or-nothing verdict in the eyes of some. If there's not a murder charge with subsequent life in prison sentence, there will be backlash.

As for the part bolded, that's such a huge misconception about this case. A 911 dispatcher told him not to follow Martin, and he said OK. It's in the transcripts. Either way, a 911 dispatcher is NOT A POLICE OFFICER. They are only there to answer the phone. The dispatcher telling Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" is more of the dispatcher trying to protect Zimmerman than Trayvon Martin. Earlier in the call, that same dispatcher told Zimmerman to let the dispatcher know if Martin did anything.
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Exactly...one side said Zimmerman followed Martin, the other said Martin ambushed Zimmerman as he walked back to his truck after trying to find an address to tell the inbound police where he was. To say he, without question, deserves jail time is absurd. He saw suspicious activity in an area where there had been recent break-ins, he called the police and discussed things with the dispatcher. Why does he deserve jail time if, as he contends, Martin jumped him and he feared for his life? Nothing in the trial has proven anything different happened.
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Should have just taken his ass beating and moved on.
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If he feared for his life, should he have just taken his getting killed and moved on? Well, not really "moved on," but you know what I mean. That's the issue...Zimmerman said he feared for his life and claims Martin told him, "You are going to die tonight." So, no, I don't think you can say he should have just taken his ass-beating.

That's the heart of the defense...that Zimmerman feared for his life after being ambushed. The eyewitness said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him "MMA-style." Martin told him he was going to die. If this is all true, and the prosecution has done absolutely nothing to prove it wasn't true, he was well within his rights.

The reason this was brought to a trial in the first place is simple. I could explain it, but I suggest you go re-read the first eight or so pages of this thread. That will tell you all you need to know about how this was initially presented by an agenda-driven media.
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He would not have been killed.
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Again, you know that for a fact, HOW?

I mean, if you really want to assume, try to assume on both sides of the coin, not just one.
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Zimmerman's injuries weren't that serious and there was none of his DNA on Martin's fists.

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