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It's Watch!... Neighborhood Watch. Not shoot.

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. Charlie Brown

    Charlie Brown Member

    It could be that. Just smells a little like something familiar and slightly different, so it's hard sometimes to know for sure.
     
  2. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Hey, work that dictionary, Einstein.

    You must work in TV. Ho Lee Fuk.
     
  3. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Pimps like Sharpton, Jackson and the lib trash around here don't care about dead black kids unless they can make a buck or a cheap political statement off of their dead bodies.
     
  4. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    So tell us, where is the proof of Zimmernan's intent to "murder" Martin? Please show you work.
     
  5. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    You said "Murder" by definition implies premeditation.
    That is the definition of first-degree murder. First-degree only.

    It even says that in your dictionary. Get the point yet?
     
  6. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Also, my understanding is that Zimmerman noticed Martin not because he "looked out of place" but because he matched the loose description of people who were suspected of breaking into neighborhood houses. If that description had been of a white teen wearing a Ralph Lauren shirt, Zimmerman might well have looked into someone like that.
     
  7. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Premeditation (first degree) or intent (second degree).

    Again, please show the evidence of either premeditation or intent in this case.

    Oh yeah, that's right, you can't. Unless you think Zimmerman intended to get his ass kicked so he could shoot a kid he couldn't even find but was apparently stalking.
     
  8. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    AQB, I was correcting your point on the definition of murder.

    I wasn't using that for an argument for either side.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    You have a very expansive definition of "provoked the confrontation." Stipulating that Zimmerman's statements to investigators were true, at what point in the scenario did Zimmerman cross over the "provoking" line?
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

    Would you like to compare the homicide rate for young African-American males vs. any other demographic, for a little context.

    Besides, it's not just that people are more likely to be killed by someone of their own race, the majority of people are killed by someone they know well -- someone they are in a relationship with, a relative, or someone they've had financial dealings (disputes) with.

    The great fear is supposedly that your child will go to the store for Skittles and iced tea* and not come home alive.

    The fear is that someone unknown to them will kill them, whether it be a "creepy-ass cracker" who is "stalking them" or they will be the victim of a stray bullet, resulting from gang/drug/turf wars.

    I submit to you that a 17-year-old African-American male -- even one with his hoodie up, and carrying a bag of Skittles -- will be safer tonight in any "white" neighborhood in America, than he would be in an African-American neighborhood, one neighborhood over from his own, in Chicago.

    And, if that's true, then why isn't that the priority? Why aren't we having "The Talk" about this. Why is someone like Mark Kirk shouted down by Bobby Rush when he tries to look for answers and solutions?

    Why do African-American politicians love an incident like what happened in Sanford, because it takes the pressure off of them to find solutions to the problems in their own neighborhoods?
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You would be very wrong.

    The arrest -- let alone the conviction -- rate for shootings in Chicago is astoundingly low.

    It's astoundingly low, even thought the shooters are often known by the victims.

    And, in these cases -- unlike George Zimmerman's -- the shooter doesn't call the cops prior to the shooting, and then stick around to talk to them afterwards.
     
  12. Charlie Brown

    Charlie Brown Member

    Now you know what that looks like from the other side. My work here is done.
     
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