Jonathan Martin and the Miami Dolphins

Boom_70 · Feb 16, 2014

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Anybody here mention Martin's quote about him attending wimpy schools (Harvard Westlake HS and Stanford)?
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It's hard to imagine Stanford as a "wimpy" school, especially since he played for someone who is considered a hardass.

It sounded like he was bullied at Westlake, but not at Stanford.

Like anything else, I know people who have come out of schools like Harvard Westlake who were completely coddled and you can tell and others who went to schools like that and they're every bit as gritty and driven as anyone else. I think it's more of a reflection of the way he was raised than the schools...
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Hey, I'm just quoting him: I mostly blame the soft schools I went to
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For someone who would seem to have everything going for him, how does someone like Martin become a bullying target in high school... If it was an older brother or parent, that would make more sense, but he definitely is not your typical HS bullying victim. In no way does that justify anything that Incognito or any of the other players did to him.
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Really no surprise specially for kids raised in affluent everybody gets a trophy communities.

Kids are not taught to fend for themselves. Have a problem go to Mommy to fight
your battle. If that does not work family has attorney on retainer.

3_Octave_Fart · Feb 16, 2014

Parcells took the money and ran.
He fixed the team for a one-and-done playoff season.
Waddled away from every job he's had in the league, usually under a cloud of controversy.

Boom_70 · Feb 16, 2014

3_Octave_Fart said:

Parcells took the money and ran.
He fixed the team for a one-and-done playoff season.
Waddled away from every job he's had in the league, usually under a cloud of controversy.
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A definite pattern to his work.

jr/shotglass · Dec 15, 2014

Art imitating life.

LanceyHoward · Feb 16, 2014

Boom_70 said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Anybody here mention Martin's quote about him attending wimpy schools (Harvard Westlake HS and Stanford)?
Click to expand...

It's hard to imagine Stanford as a "wimpy" school, especially since he played for someone who is considered a hardass.

It sounded like he was bullied at Westlake, but not at Stanford.

Like anything else, I know people who have come out of schools like Harvard Westlake who were completely coddled and you can tell and others who went to schools like that and they're every bit as gritty and driven as anyone else. I think it's more of a reflection of the way he was raised than the schools...
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Hey, I'm just quoting him: I mostly blame the soft schools I went to
Click to expand...

For someone who would seem to have everything going for him, how does someone like Martin become a bullying target in high school... If it was an older brother or parent, that would make more sense, but he definitely is not your typical HS bullying victim. In no way does that justify anything that Incognito or any of the other players did to him.
Click to expand...

Really no surprise specially for kids raised in affluent everybody gets a trophy communities.

Kids are not taught to fend for themselves. Have a problem go to Mommy to fight
your battle. If that does not work family has attorney on retainer.
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Fending for yourself consists of what actions? Knuckle city?

Mizzougrad96 · Feb 17, 2014

Interesting take from DLB... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10462076/why-miami-siding-richie-incognito-not-jonathan-martin-victim

MMQB is pretty interesting today. I agree with King's assessment that the report was too easy on Philbin and that Turner should be fired immediately.

jr/shotglass · Feb 17, 2014

It struck me that the report spent many pages summarizing a pattern of bullying and culminated in one paragraph that basically said, "Gosh, that really should stop."

Boom_70 · Feb 17, 2014

jr/shotglass said:

It struck me that the report spent many pages summarizing a pattern of bullying and culminated in one paragraph that basically said, "Gosh, that really should stop."
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Exactly as a said earlier, the kid did a solid job on his term paper till he phoned in the
conclusion. It was weak.

Mizzougrad96 · Feb 17, 2014

As King points out in today's column, even by today's NFL locker room standards, this is not the norm, not anywhere close to this level...

Incognito should be suspended for next season. Pouncey and the other guy should get lengthy suspensions as well. That's really the best thing Goodell can do to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Baron Scicluna · Feb 17, 2014

LanceyHoward said:

Boom_70 said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Anybody here mention Martin's quote about him attending wimpy schools (Harvard Westlake HS and Stanford)?
Click to expand...

It's hard to imagine Stanford as a "wimpy" school, especially since he played for someone who is considered a hardass.

It sounded like he was bullied at Westlake, but not at Stanford.

Like anything else, I know people who have come out of schools like Harvard Westlake who were completely coddled and you can tell and others who went to schools like that and they're every bit as gritty and driven as anyone else. I think it's more of a reflection of the way he was raised than the schools...
Click to expand...

Hey, I'm just quoting him: I mostly blame the soft schools I went to
Click to expand...

For someone who would seem to have everything going for him, how does someone like Martin become a bullying target in high school... If it was an older brother or parent, that would make more sense, but he definitely is not your typical HS bullying victim. In no way does that justify anything that Incognito or any of the other players did to him.
Click to expand...

Really no surprise specially for kids raised in affluent everybody gets a trophy communities.

Kids are not taught to fend for themselves. Have a problem go to Mommy to fight
your battle. If that does not work family has attorney on retainer.
Click to expand...

Fending for yourself consists of what actions? Knuckle city?
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Nah, that's the old way. Nowadays, it's grab your gun and fire.

Boom_70 · Feb 17, 2014

LanceyHoward said:

Boom_70 said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

poindexter said:

Anybody here mention Martin's quote about him attending wimpy schools (Harvard Westlake HS and Stanford)?
Click to expand...

It's hard to imagine Stanford as a "wimpy" school, especially since he played for someone who is considered a hardass.

It sounded like he was bullied at Westlake, but not at Stanford.

Like anything else, I know people who have come out of schools like Harvard Westlake who were completely coddled and you can tell and others who went to schools like that and they're every bit as gritty and driven as anyone else. I think it's more of a reflection of the way he was raised than the schools...
Click to expand...

Hey, I'm just quoting him: I mostly blame the soft schools I went to
Click to expand...

For someone who would seem to have everything going for him, how does someone like Martin become a bullying target in high school... If it was an older brother or parent, that would make more sense, but he definitely is not your typical HS bullying victim. In no way does that justify anything that Incognito or any of the other players did to him.
Click to expand...

Really no surprise specially for kids raised in affluent everybody gets a trophy communities.

Kids are not taught to fend for themselves. Have a problem go to Mommy to fight
your battle. If that does not work family has attorney on retainer.
Click to expand...

Fending for yourself consists of what actions? Knuckle city?
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Drawing a line in the sand and standing up for yourself. Does
not have to be "knuckle city" as you put it.

Really interesting to think of the contrasts between two college
teammates in Martin and Richard Sherman and how their upbringings
likely affected their demeanor.

Does not mean he should have been treated the way he was but clearly
Martin was mentally weak with a constitution not suited for a high level
of football.

93Devil · Feb 17, 2014

Mizzougrad96 said:

As King points out in today's column, even by today's NFL locker room standards, this is not the norm, not anywhere close to this level...

Incognito should be suspended for next season. Pouncey and the other guy should get lengthy suspensions as well. That's really the best thing Goodell can do to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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The Patriots live a charmed life. They start the bus and win that division, it seems, every year.

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