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Jordan Neely killing/Daniel Penny charges

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, May 13, 2023.

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  1. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    If I had to guess, it's the number of mentally ill people who have been prematurely released from care because of NYC policies.
     
    CD Boogie, May 16, 2023
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  2. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    And the number of mentally-ill homeless people who get bussed to NYC (and other metros) by small towns who don’t want to deal with them.
     
    Inky_Wretch, May 16, 2023
    #98
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Adams most recent policy is the opposite.


    New York City directive to potentially involuntarily commit someone suffering a mental health crisis can proceed, court rules | CNN

    What forced hospitalization feels like in New York City, as Mayor Adams pushes for more

    New York City to Involuntarily Remove Mentally Ill People From Streets

    I was hospitalized against my will. I know firsthand the harm it can cause

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2023/03/13/new-york-mental-illness-homeless/
     
    Azrael, May 16, 2023
    #99
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  4. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    That's what happens when you elect a cop. Doesn't matter the party. Once a cop, always a cop.
     
    Regan MacNeil, May 16, 2023
    #100
  5. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    Interesting. Will have to read these.

    BTW, watched Anderson Cooper's special Sunday night about homelessness in San Francisco, of particular interest because I'm visiting there in late June for the first time. What California has done in basically incentivizing drug addicts to come there is fucking appalling. They estimated that it now costs upwards of $90,000 per year to maintain one tent for a homeless person, who is also given access to free needles, free food, free health care, etc. It's the worst of liberal policies coming home to roost.

    Don't even get me started on the inanity of paying $1.2 million to each Black Californian as reparations. What in the actual fuck.
     
    CD Boogie, May 16, 2023
    #101
  6. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    This is very fair.

    And asks a question especially dear to me.

    Why not not just give Neely something to eat and something to drink?

     
    Last edited: May 16, 2023
    Azrael, May 16, 2023
    #102
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    1) Nobody normal thinks "vigalante killings are an acceptable response to homelessness."

    2) Of course second-degree manslaugher is the right charge. It wasn't a foregone conclusion that common sense would prevail, but it's the only charge that is arguable for anyone who doesn't have a "side."

    3) It's not a slam dunk that he gets (or should get) convicted for manslaughter. He'll have his day in court, and we'll see what the witnesses testify about what happened prior to the chokehold. We'll have to see if he can credibly argue self defense or that he wasn't being reckless with the chokehold.

    4) Nothing to do with that article, but the tribalism around this is what is sickening to me. Everyone is so busy trying to create their own narrative and cast it as the face of an ism. But Neely wasn't trying to be the face of homeless or aggressive / threatening people on the subway or a racial group, and I suspect that Penny didn't set out to be a right-wing cause (although I have no idea what is in this guy's heart). What happened was just tragic.

    5) Also nothing to do with that article, but I took a nice subway ride out to JFK and back Sunday night (don't ask), close to midnight on the ride back home. Depending on your perspective, 1) what I saw on the train going through Bushwick and Bed Stuy and Crown Heights on the ride back was heartbreaking (and I am not talking about one shell of a person who was acting erraticly or mildly threatening, it was a parade of them), or 2) I shouldn't have felt assured of that I was safe. I personally think it was both (that has nothing to do with whether what Penny did in the situation he was in was justifed).
     
    The Big Ragu, May 16, 2023
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  8. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Federal money that allowed Vermont to house 3,000 homeless people from the start of covid till now has dried up.

    All 3,000 including +/- 750 kids are being kicked to the streets June 1 and July 1.
     
    Songbird, May 16, 2023
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  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Vermont is in bad shape. Good luck, everybody.


    https://www.wcax.com/2023/03/13/burlington-clears-out-homeless-encampments-near-vacant-buildings/

    As homelessness crisis deepens, rural children pay the price

    Vermont homeless shelter resident attacks and kills staff member with axe, authorities say | CNN

    Vermont’s rates of homelessness are (almost) the worst in the country

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    Azrael, May 16, 2023
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  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Azrael, May 16, 2023
    #106
  11. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    If you are donating to this guy’s legal defense fund based on the facts which are known/unknown, you are exactly who I think you are. Then again, these are the same people who call for a ban and film videos shooting up cases of beer because a company dares have a transgender person in their ads.
     
    Webster, May 16, 2023
    #107
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    seriously

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...0230516-7dvrqiuksrfudoa4tlkknmaomq-story.html

    Two weeks after a Marine vet choked a mentally disturbed homeless man to death on the subway, Mayor Adams advised New Yorkers to call 911 or 311 if they encounter a situation involving someone in a similar state of emotional distress.

    “Everyday New Yorkers — they should call the 311 or 911 system if a person is doing something extremely dangerous,” he said during a Tuesday morning interview on NY1. “Proper personnel could respond, and that includes mental health professionals, and in those cases where it’s needed, a law enforcement professional.
     
    Azrael, May 16, 2023
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