Knicks-Nuggets megabrawl??

DyePack · Dec 17, 2006

SoSueMe said:

DyePack said:

SoSueMe said:

DyePack said:

SoSueMe said:

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.
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There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.
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My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.
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Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.
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It's only a problem if it's not a) accepted or b) part of the game or c) in the rules.

And fighting in hockey is a) accepted - by EVERYONE involved b) part of the game and c) well within the rules.

So, simple math: It's not a "problem" in hockey.

The only problems are people like you, who don't understand the game, have never liked the game to begin with and have never played the game (or, more likely ANY game at all), so you don't understand passion, physical contact nor cheap shots (outside of the verbal ones you toss from time to time) in sports.

Also, let me understand this: You say if there wasn't a barrier in hockey, fighting would undoubtedly spill into the stands?

And, if you think hockey could be played without a barrier, you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.
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Geez, you are a fucktard.

The barrier keeps the fights from going into the stands. I imagine the NBA would have a lot less trouble with fights going into the crowd if it had a barrier around the entire court.

BYH · Dec 17, 2006

This thread sets up the rest of the season nicely.

No horse in this race, but it should be pointed out that while Dye didn't help his argument by saying the NHL has dropped teams, he's absolutely right about the lack of franchise continuity. Nearly half the franchises either didn't exist 15 years ago or were located in different cities.

Ottawa
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Carolina (fuck you Karmanos)
Florida
Nashville
Columbus
Minnesota
Colorado (Quebec)
Anaheim
Dallas (Minnesota)
Phoenix (Winnipeg)

That doesn't even count the teams that have gone bankrupt (Buffalo), suffered thru the ignobility of several inept owners (Islanders) or threatened to move only to find no one wants them (Devils, Penguins). The league is absolutely unsteady, and it's got no one to blame but itself. Fuck you Bettman, you Kevin Spacey wannabe.

beefncheddar · Dec 17, 2006

At the same time, if you set the bar at 5 years, I'm guessing the NBA has had more moves.

DyePack · Dec 17, 2006

Defunct and relocated teams: Atlanta Flames â€¢ California/Oakland Golden Seals â€¢ Cleveland Barons â€¢ Colorado Rockies â€¢ Hamilton Tigers â€¢ Hartford Whalers â€¢ Kansas City Scouts â€¢ Minnesota North Stars â€¢ Montreal Maroons â€¢ Montreal Wanderers â€¢ New York/Brooklyn Americans â€¢ Ottawa Senators (original) â€¢ Philadelphia Quakers â€¢ Pittsburgh Pirates â€¢ Quebec Bulldogs â€¢ Quebec Nordiques â€¢ St. Louis Eagles â€¢ Winnipeg Jets

hockeybeat · Dec 17, 2006

DyePack said:

SoSueMe said:

DyePack said:

SoSueMe said:

DyePack said:

SoSueMe said:

Okay Dye, then where do you draw the comparison between fighting in the NBA and fighting in the NHL? What does one have to do with the other when we all know fighting never spills into the stands during an NHL game?

Don't use this Knicks/Nuggets brawl to call for an end to fighting in the NHL. It's not even close to the same thing.
Click to expand...

There's a barrier around the entire stadium for an NHL game.

Keep working on that brain cell. Apparently it needs more time.
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My point exactly. You decried fighting because "it spilled into the stands" so you cannot equate fighting in the NHL to fighting in the NBA.

1) It's accepted in the NHL
2) It cannot, will not, does not spill into the stands of an NHL rink.

So, I tell you again, stop using the Knicks/Nuggets brawl as an example of why fighting in the NHL should be removed.

It's part of the game, always has been. And it's been accepted by its players, fans, officials and management. And an idiot like you is not going to change that.
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Dude, it takes a blink of an eye to refute each of your arguments.

First of all, my responses have shifted because you've shifted your "argument" from what's wrong with fighting that goes into the stands to fighting in the NHL is good because it doesn't go into the stands.

Let's go really slowly so you can try to keep up. In the NHL, you see that barrier that keeps the puck from flying into the stands? That keeps the fights from going into the stands. Comprende?

And saying the NHL has accepted fighting, so it's OK, is flat-out moronic.

One league deals with the problem; the other doesn't. I'll let you puzzle out which is which.
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It's only a problem if it's not a) accepted or b) part of the game or c) in the rules.

And fighting in hockey is a) accepted - by EVERYONE involved b) part of the game and c) well within the rules.

So, simple math: It's not a "problem" in hockey.

The only problems are people like you, who don't understand the game, have never liked the game to begin with and have never played the game (or, more likely ANY game at all), so you don't understand passion, physical contact nor cheap shots (outside of the verbal ones you toss from time to time) in sports.

Also, let me understand this: You say if there wasn't a barrier in hockey, fighting would undoubtedly spill into the stands?

And, if you think hockey could be played without a barrier, you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.
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Geez, you are a fucktard.

The barrier keeps the fights from going into the stands. I imagine the NBA would have a lot less trouble with fights going into the crowd if it had a barrier around the entire court.
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How come NHL fights are shorter than NBA ones, and less nasty? It's not just the barrier. Look at tonight's fight. The teams ran from the baseline to center court throwing punches and (presumably) talking shit. A NHL fight takes, on average, sixty seconds. It took Nuggets-Knicks a good ten minutes before relative peace was restored.

SoSueMe · Dec 17, 2006

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/toc/nba/nbadefunct.html

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/toc/mlb/mlbdefunct.html

Nice try Dye.

Also, yes, I've agreed with you since the beginning, the barrier keeps the fights from spilling into the stands which MAKES IT MORE ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE ONLY THOSE IN THE GAME ARE INVOLVED and in danger, if you consider it that.

beefncheddar · Dec 17, 2006

DyePack said:

Defunct and relocated teams: Atlanta Flames â€¢ California/Oakland Golden Seals â€¢ Cleveland Barons â€¢ Colorado Rockies â€¢ Hamilton Tigers â€¢ Hartford Whalers â€¢ Kansas City Scouts â€¢ Minnesota North Stars â€¢ Montreal Maroons â€¢ Montreal Wanderers â€¢ New York/Brooklyn Americans â€¢ Ottawa Senators (original) â€¢ Philadelphia Quakers â€¢ Pittsburgh Pirates â€¢ Quebec Bulldogs â€¢ Quebec Nordiques â€¢ St. Louis Eagles â€¢ Winnipeg Jets
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Hell, why don't you just go back 75 years?

beefncheddar · Dec 17, 2006

And if littleNate was a problem, why didn't somebody just punt his ass 12 rows up?

Riddick · Dec 17, 2006

A lot of the fight is posted on the ESPN website. Not sure if this is a D_B, but didn't have time to read the entire thread. Never thought I'd be so happy to view ESPN.com. They also have some post game interviews.
Personally, if Denver wasn't considering Iverson before tonight, they should now. Cause I think after the Artest problem, the NBA may answer with more than just the standard suspension for throwing a punch.

DyePack · Dec 17, 2006

Yes, the Brooklyn Dodgers, Minneapolis Lakers and New York Giants will never be able to throw off the taint of moving to the West Coast.

DyePack · Dec 17, 2006

More fine hockey history:

"As a result, the team announced on March 26, 1997, that they would leave Hartford, eventually deciding to move to Raleigh, North Carolina. It marked one of the few times in American sports history that a team announced that it would leave its current home city without having already selected a new home city."

dooley_womack1 · Dec 17, 2006

As far as teams no longer existing in any form, the NHL has the most recent one, the Cleveland Barons. The NFL had franchises in Dallas and Baltimore fold in the early 1950s. I can't think of the last NBA or major league baseball franchise to just die altogether.

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