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Lacrosse ugliness at U.Va.

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, May 3, 2010.

  1. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    But the victim was upper middle-class, blonde and white, I thought that was the determining factor?

    Anyone know what the statutory aggravating factor was that originally made this a death penalty eligible case?
     
  2. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

     
  3. I don't know, how about pre-mediated murder?
     
  4. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    Premeditation is what elevates it from second degree to first degree murder. You need something more to go capital.

    It's been a long time since I covered a death penalty trial in Virginia, so I don't remember all the aggravating factors available there. But /most death penalty states have a factor that allows a death sentence when the killing is "especially heinous or cruel." Given the apparent brutality of the beating in this case, I imagine a decent prosecutor would not have much trouble meeting that.
     
  5. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Actually in Virginia - premeditation does qualify for capital murder charge. I guess the facts indicate that there was no weapon involved making it difficult to prove.
     
  6. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    Actually, it doesn't.

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state

    You have to have something more because premeditation is the difference between first- and second-degree murder. That means premeditation can't also be an aggravating factor by itself to elevate first-degree murder to capital murder. Some states allow "substantial planning and premeditation" to be a factor, but that's not the case in Virginia.

    And premeditation is not generally difficult to prove because the law allows it to be defined as only taking a split-second. Essentially, if you think "I'm going to kill him" an instant before you kill him, you've premeditated. Since proving a person's thoughts is impossible, unless they admit to it, then it becomes a question for the jury to decide based on all the surrounding circumstances.

    Presence of a weapon should make it easier to prove, but I don't think the absence of one makes it hard to prove. Her head was banged against a wall. I think a reasonable juror could infer that someone who bashes another's head into a wall considered killing her before doing it.
     
  7. mb

    mb Active Member

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/16/prescription-drug-caused-uva-lacrosse-players-death-defense-attorneys-say/

    Your Honor,

    My client is innocent. It was the ADDERALL that beat Ms. Love to death.
     
  8. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Wrong place, wrong time? WTF?
     
  9. Captain_Kirk

    Captain_Kirk Well-Known Member

    Grasping at straws.

    You have to give the defense credit for pulling out all the stops for their client. I don't know how they can sleep at night, though.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Not to be flip, but ... still better than the Twinkie defense, I suppose.

    An old friend of mine is a criminal defense lawyer. She is one of the most brilliant, ethical, and compassionate people I have ever met. This is America, and everyone deserves to explain their side of a story.
     
  11. mb

    mb Active Member

    I mean, sure, she was found in a pool of her own blood ... and yeah, she had bruises all over her face ... and maybe she was found to have died from blunt-force trauma ...

    But if she'd have just laid off the Adderall.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Sometimes I think Americans won't be happy until every petty thief in this country faces a firing squad at high noon in front of the county courthouse.

    No, I'm not comparing this idiot to a petty thief.
     
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