Layoffs in Indianapolis

RecoveringJournalist · Aug 18, 2014

The only thing Ramos has gotten right at any of his stops is running off talent.

LongTimeListener · Aug 18, 2014

Anyone who wants to work for Ramos, after watching his Twitter fights with (among others) Joe Nocera and Pat Forde, does not want to be a journalist.

Bob Cook · Aug 18, 2014

playthrough said:

Chappell's gone? I hadn't heard that.
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Not out yet, but he, Richards and Ambrogi are on their way.

old_tony · Aug 18, 2014

RecoveringJournalist said:

BDC99 said:

Fran Curci said:

The take from local media blogger Kent Sterling, who apparently wants to fill the vacancy as assistant sports editor:

"The positive for the Star’s sports department is that it is led by a very capable editor who has made positive changes in the digital product in his short time here. Ronnie Ramos appears to be a forward thinking manager who has a plan to evolve the product forward while adhering to corporate mandates for efficiency. It’s a tough gig, but he has shown a knack for getting things right in a tough situation."

I'll hang up and listen to your comment(s).
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Yeah, this should be good.
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I know people who liked Lynn Hoppes. I know people who liked Garry Howard. I know people who liked John Cherwa. I even have a close friend who liked the since promoted Mike Kellams (He often jokes that he was the only one). I've never met anyone who has worked for Ramos who doesn't despise him.

I've worked for a couple sports editors who would make most top 10 worst lists but I've never seen people hate someone the way Ramos is hated. I went for drinks years ago with friends who were working for Ramos and I've never seen vitriol like I did with them. It went well beyond "He's an asshole." This was pure, unadulterated hatred, some of came from people who I wouldn't classify as a complainer on any level.
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This is really interesting to see. I worked with Ramos more than 25 years ago. He was a news reporter at the time and left our paper to go to the Miami Herald, where I assume he was still in news. I wouldn't say I was close, close friends with him, but I didn't see him as an asshole at all. This was somewhere between 28 and 29 years ago, so I guess a few things have changed.

Ace · Aug 19, 2014

old_tony said:

RecoveringJournalist said:

BDC99 said:

Fran Curci said:

The take from local media blogger Kent Sterling, who apparently wants to fill the vacancy as assistant sports editor:

"The positive for the Star’s sports department is that it is led by a very capable editor who has made positive changes in the digital product in his short time here. Ronnie Ramos appears to be a forward thinking manager who has a plan to evolve the product forward while adhering to corporate mandates for efficiency. It’s a tough gig, but he has shown a knack for getting things right in a tough situation."

I'll hang up and listen to your comment(s).
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Yeah, this should be good.
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I know people who liked Lynn Hoppes. I know people who liked Garry Howard. I know people who liked John Cherwa. I even have a close friend who liked the since promoted Mike Kellams (He often jokes that he was the only one). I've never met anyone who has worked for Ramos who doesn't despise him.

I've worked for a couple sports editors who would make most top 10 worst lists but I've never seen people hate someone the way Ramos is hated. I went for drinks years ago with friends who were working for Ramos and I've never seen vitriol like I did with them. It went well beyond "He's an asshole." This was pure, unadulterated hatred, some of came from people who I wouldn't classify as a complainer on any level.
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This is really interesting to see. I worked with Ramos more than 25 years ago. He was a news reporter at the time and left our paper to go to the Miami Herald, where I assume he was still in news. I wouldn't say I was close, close friends with him, but I didn't see him as an asshole at all. This was somewhere between 28 and 29 years ago, so I guess a few things have changed.
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I don't think he's an asshole at all to your face.

RecoveringJournalist · Aug 19, 2014

LongTimeListener said:

Anyone who wants to work for Ramos, after watching his Twitter fights with (among others) Joe Nocera and Pat Forde, does not want to be a journalist.
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This times 100,000.

RecoveringJournalist · Aug 19, 2014

old_tony said:

RecoveringJournalist said:

BDC99 said:

Fran Curci said:

The take from local media blogger Kent Sterling, who apparently wants to fill the vacancy as assistant sports editor:

"The positive for the Star’s sports department is that it is led by a very capable editor who has made positive changes in the digital product in his short time here. Ronnie Ramos appears to be a forward thinking manager who has a plan to evolve the product forward while adhering to corporate mandates for efficiency. It’s a tough gig, but he has shown a knack for getting things right in a tough situation."

I'll hang up and listen to your comment(s).
Click to expand...

Yeah, this should be good.
Click to expand...

I know people who liked Lynn Hoppes. I know people who liked Garry Howard. I know people who liked John Cherwa. I even have a close friend who liked the since promoted Mike Kellams (He often jokes that he was the only one). I've never met anyone who has worked for Ramos who doesn't despise him.

I've worked for a couple sports editors who would make most top 10 worst lists but I've never seen people hate someone the way Ramos is hated. I went for drinks years ago with friends who were working for Ramos and I've never seen vitriol like I did with them. It went well beyond "He's an asshole." This was pure, unadulterated hatred, some of came from people who I wouldn't classify as a complainer on any level.
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This is really interesting to see. I worked with Ramos more than 25 years ago. He was a news reporter at the time and left our paper to go to the Miami Herald, where I assume he was still in news. I wouldn't say I was close, close friends with him, but I didn't see him as an asshole at all. This was somewhere between 28 and 29 years ago, so I guess a few things have changed.
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Big difference between working with and working for. You got him very early in his career.

vonnegutnaked2 · Aug 23, 2014

Phil Richards is now gone. Announced on Twitter he is taking a buyout and will be done Sept. 5.

dragonzo3 · Aug 23, 2014

Is there any industry that values institutional memory less than newspapers? /rhetoricalquestion

playthrough · Aug 23, 2014

vonnegutnaked2 said:

Phil Richards is now gone. Announced on Twitter he is taking a buyout and will be done Sept. 5.
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30 years at the Star and (for my money) the best writer there.

old_tony · Aug 23, 2014

Ace said:

old_tony said:

RecoveringJournalist said:

BDC99 said:

Fran Curci said:

The take from local media blogger Kent Sterling, who apparently wants to fill the vacancy as assistant sports editor:

"The positive for the Star’s sports department is that it is led by a very capable editor who has made positive changes in the digital product in his short time here. Ronnie Ramos appears to be a forward thinking manager who has a plan to evolve the product forward while adhering to corporate mandates for efficiency. It’s a tough gig, but he has shown a knack for getting things right in a tough situation."

I'll hang up and listen to your comment(s).
Click to expand...

Yeah, this should be good.
Click to expand...

I know people who liked Lynn Hoppes. I know people who liked Garry Howard. I know people who liked John Cherwa. I even have a close friend who liked the since promoted Mike Kellams (He often jokes that he was the only one). I've never met anyone who has worked for Ramos who doesn't despise him.

I've worked for a couple sports editors who would make most top 10 worst lists but I've never seen people hate someone the way Ramos is hated. I went for drinks years ago with friends who were working for Ramos and I've never seen vitriol like I did with them. It went well beyond "He's an asshole." This was pure, unadulterated hatred, some of came from people who I wouldn't classify as a complainer on any level.
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This is really interesting to see. I worked with Ramos more than 25 years ago. He was a news reporter at the time and left our paper to go to the Miami Herald, where I assume he was still in news. I wouldn't say I was close, close friends with him, but I didn't see him as an asshole at all. This was somewhere between 28 and 29 years ago, so I guess a few things have changed.
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I don't think he's an asshole at all to your face.
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He wasn't close to being management yet, so he probably hadn't taken the required classes on how to be an asshole.

Fran Curci · Aug 23, 2014

Plenty of managers work a lot differently than the way your friend is described.

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