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Mad Men Season 4

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by heyabbott, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. mustangj17

    mustangj17 Active Member

    Don got in a fight at his office, got shitcanned in front of a worker who looks up to him, is still realing from losing his family and his friend in California.

    He finally hit rock bottom, and now he's ready to recover. He's sick of the random women, so he's going to cut his drinking down and clear his head. Get back to writing so he can be atop his game and finally make a play at the woman that his company works with. (I forget her name.)
     
  2. mustangj17

    mustangj17 Active Member

    He was also on SNL and his song skit with Michael Buble was hilarious.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Is it at all possible that we were wrong all these years when we just assumed this show was going to be about the fall of Don Draper? That it wouldn't end well for him?

    Seems right now like it's just about a guy trying to make his way through the ups and downs of life. And I like it that way. It would be miserable to just watch him fail week after week for as long as the show has remaining.
     
  4. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. I'm unclear why people think Don is either going down on the elevator of life, or going up, and there are only two directions and he needs to be going one way or another. Think about where Weiner learned about television (Becker and The Sopranos) before he got his own show. Not exactly stories where the main character was either rising or falling. Draper's story isn't necessarily a triumph or a tragedy, just a story meant to help us understand questions about identity and how often we lie to ourselves in order to be happy.
     
  5. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    The reason I think Don still goes down is all great dramas understand that people don't change. And this show is about a decade which proved this more than any other. The striving for change is worthwhile, redeeming, but never permanent. I don't think Weiner would betray this notion. Otherwise , he has written a sit-com or a Jimmy Stewart film, and he has inaccurately summed up the 1960s.
     
  6. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    If Draper doesn't change, though, why would he go down?

    If nothing really changes, then Draper will spend his whole life comfortable but naggingly unsatisfied with the fake identity he's created for himself.
     
  7. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I don't think the show is about "Draper" per se - I think it is about the change in society during the 60s. You have the WWII types, you have the young turks embracing the 60s and you have Don on a tightrope, who really doesn't belong in either world for multiple reasons.
     
  8. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    Change is impossible if the man you are tying to be is the man you already were. If he changes, he simply re-emerges as Dick Whitman. Which is not an actual change.

    Whether Don goes down in the end is immaterial in relation to the notion of change. We already know Don is essentially a good man in the form of Dick. But alcoholism doesn't respect our values.

    I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to whether Don should die for his sins. I just don't think Weiner let's him off the hook for those decisions.
     
  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Dick's biggest sin wasn't a sin it was realizing he couldn't get past the circumstances of his birth and upbringing without drastic action. He took Don's identity but not his life and made good to Don's family.
    Dick, as Don, sinned by turning his back on his brother, for which he'll pay by being without a family. No Betsy, no kids and his personal intimate relationships will be transient no matter how hard he tries to find permanency.

    As Dick, the man succeeds by being Don Draper, Ad Man extraordinaire. As Don, the man fails by being lonely, a kind of walking dead, alone in a world of others.
     
  10. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    The market research lady said he'd be married again within a year, and no one likes to think they are a "type" but they are. I'd be shocked if that doesn't come true.

    Although has it been a year since she said that? I have trouble keeping track of time on the show.
     
  11. Dyno

    Dyno Well-Known Member

    It's been about 6 months. She said it to him at the Christmas party and last week's episode took place in June.
     
  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Bethany is hot. She was the preacher's wife in True Blood
     
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