Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

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That's funny, because I don't think you really believe some of the stuff you are putting forth.

 

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Oh, you see it, or you wouldn't be responding before Versatile even finishes making his point. You just don't want to admit to it.

Bottom line is you want to pick and choose which types of cheating matter. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to think you are being hypocritical and I assume Versatile sees it that way, too.

The three notes at the end of your post help make my point. The fact that the ceremonies bother you so much, that you actually consider that to be a factor, shows that this is more about personal bias and feelings that objective judgement of these athletes' qualifications for the Hall of Fame (or the Heisman Trophy in Winston's case.) That is a huge part of the problem with the "ban the PED users" crowd in the BBWAA. It is far too much about emotion than it is about making a fair judgement.

 

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A troll singlemindedly turns a baseball HoF discussion into one of Jameis Winston and Jason Kidd.
When he isn't trolling about world currencies or obesity among women.
That is what a troll does.

 

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You don't think Buckweaver has great knowledge of the history of the sport?

 

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They both matter.

But "matter" doesn't necessarily mean that they receive the same consequence.

Jason Kidd will be fined and perhaps suspended.

Barry Bonds will likely be kept out of the Hall of Fame.

All cheating is not created equal. Now, we can certainly argue that Kidd's was worse than Bonds's, or equal to, or whatever. But I find it hard to believe that you think that all cheating must be punished precisely the same, as a first principle. Again: Would you punish a gum-stealer the same as a car-stealer?

 

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Already going for the misleading arguments again. The degree from stealing gum to stealing a car is MUCH wider than the degree between what Kidd and Bonds did.

Also, Versatile's point isn't just about spilling the drink on the court, so narrowing it to that is unfair at best, and also intentionally misleading.

I'm also not buying your premise that Bonds will likely be kept out of the Hall of Fame. I'm not saying he won't have to wait, but I'd be surprised if he never gets in.

 

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Why is this necessary?:

Why not just lead with this?:

 

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But this was not what you said. This is a different argument. This is an argument that Kidd's spill and Bonds's PED use are comparable crimes. I fully welcome that argument. I'd like to hear you make it.

What you said was that I want to "pick and choose which types of cheating matter." But I think they both matter. I just think that there are degrees of cheating, punishable in different ways.

Do you not agree with that as a very basic principle? If you do, then I'm not a hypocrite. We just happen to weiigh the two crimes differently.

 

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Because you are using misleading arguments and I'm going to point it out every time you do it.

 

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But you did point it out. In the second sentence.

 

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I was illustrating why your argument is so misleading. What Kidd did and what Bonds did are far more comparable. There are also the issues of what both men did beyond simply cheating at their respective sports.

Yes, I do believe that picking and choosing which methods a cheat uses to cheat are okay and which are not is hypocritical.

 

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This is meant as very friendly advice: You would improve 10 fold in your arguments if you just eliminated every ad hominem attack from every post. I don't know if you're a columnist or not, but you would do well to leave those out of your columns, as well. They just don't do any work for your case at all. Just make your actual argument. Get rid of all the stuff about what a moron your sparring partner is, or how dishonest he's being, or how he's "actually admitting" something. And just make your case.