Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

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It's almost like baseball is a team game or something and one guy who pitches every five games can't solely win titles. Wow.

By your definition, is Felix Hernandez on track for the Hall?

 

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They were a dynasty until Mussina arrived. He put up nice stats in the regular season but he was not an ace. Check his postseason record: 5-7 as a Yankee.

And, no, I don't consider Felix Hernandez a Hall of Famer either.

 

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He only has 110 wins, and he has already peaked (his best seasons were in 2009 and 2010). Johan Santana was a better pitcher and looked HOF bound...now, not so much.

There really aren't many active pitchers that are good bets to make the Hall. There's Sabathia, Verlander, Kershaw, and that's about it..

 

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Wins are not, at least they shouldn't be, ways to judge whether or not a pitcher should be in the Hall. Also, Felix is only 27, I believe, so he'll probably be over 200 wins when he is done. I asked if you thought he was on track to make the Hall. Felix had a 3.04 ERA last season, a 3.06 ERA in 2012. If he's peaked, it must have been a hell of a peak.

I'd argue Kimbrel is on track to make the Hall. Wainwright appears to be on his way, as well.

 

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Hernandez is a good pitcher but he's not going to build a Hall of Fame Case going 12-10 every year.

How can Kimbrel be 'on track' to make the Hall after less than four seasons? Are you a Braves fan? You probably were saying the same thing about John Rocker 15 years ago.

 

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But it is relevant. He gets paid to help his team win games. Dig in a little deeper and you'll see he also went 2-7 in his no decisions. Meaning his team went 14-17 in games started by him. That is not a Hall of Famer.

 

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What? Who cares about how his team did in his no-decisions?

 

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Because Pete Rose never took $5,000 to help his team lose, as far as we know.

And they're both ineligible for election, so it's irrelevant.

I maintain Rose will be reinstated after he's dead. It's not that MLB doesn't want him in the Hall of Fame, but more that they don't want some team to hire him as manager.

 

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No GM in 2014 is going to hire 73-year-old Pete Rose to manage their team.

 

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See what you did, Sneak? You made me agree with Manky!

Even if we assume the worst Rose did was best on his team and he only did it while he was managing, not while he was playing, his crime is every bit as bad as Jackson's, if not worse.

Rose did not bet the same amount on his team every game. My understanding was he bet varying amounts, and sometimes not at all. You don't think that compromised the integrity of every game he managed while he was doing that?

 

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I don't know.

I do know that MLB, the Hall of Fame or the BBWAA never felt the need to formally ban Jackson or any of the other Black Sox from the ballot ... because no one was going to vote for them anyway.

Rose was a different matter. He'd almost certainly have been elected by now if not banned from the ballot (along with the others on the "permanently ineligible" list) by the Hall of Fame itself in February 1991, a full 18 months after he was banned from baseball.

If MLB and the Hall of Fame didn't fear that, there would have been no reason to bar Rose from appearing on the ballot.