Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

JC · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Posanksi with a nice takedown of Ken Gurnick.

http://bit.ly/1dtJj3I
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I'm not sure what "cocaine" and "excessive alcohol" have to do with PEDs. A first-grader could tell you why it's apples to oranges.

Nice to see he took down someone, though. Still waiting on his Paterno takedown.
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Give me a break Dick, there was more in there than that.

Also, we hear PED's and the integrity clause. Why isn't cocaine and speed held against players?
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Because cocaine is not a performance-enhancing drug. It was used as a recreational drug. Like I said, that's a distinction a first-grader would understand. But Posnanski, like all stat heads, fucking loves PEDs. Fucking LOVES them! So he falls into that argument.

I'm surprised he didn't tell us that Babe Ruth ate a lot of hot dogs.
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You covered the players of the so called PED era I believe, are you bitter that you had no clue what was going on right under your nose? I know Thome didn't use because he was nice to you and he wouldn't cheat on his wife but did you never have any suspicions of others while you covered them?

Songbird · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
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You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
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You know what then, turn in a ballot that reads:

Maddux
Morris

Webster · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

It was the HOF ballot equivalent of a sports radio caller. Have a take and suck.

Dick Whitman · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Songbird said:

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
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You know what then, turn in a ballot that reads:

Maddux
Morris
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Why Maddux?

JC · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
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If he feels that strongly than his ballot should have been blank.

Mizzougrad96 · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
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If he feels that strongly than his ballot should have been blank.
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I completely agree.

Dick Whitman · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Posanksi with a nice takedown of Ken Gurnick.

http://bit.ly/1dtJj3I
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what "cocaine" and "excessive alcohol" have to do with PEDs. A first-grader could tell you why it's apples to oranges.

Nice to see he took down someone, though. Still waiting on his Paterno takedown.
Click to expand...

Give me a break Dick, there was more in there than that.

Also, we hear PED's and the integrity clause. Why isn't cocaine and speed held against players?
Click to expand...

Because cocaine is not a performance-enhancing drug. It was used as a recreational drug. Like I said, that's a distinction a first-grader would understand. But Posnanski, like all stat heads, fucking loves PEDs. Fucking LOVES them! So he falls into that argument.

I'm surprised he didn't tell us that Babe Ruth ate a lot of hot dogs.
Click to expand...

You covered the players of the so called PED era I believe, are you bitter that you had no clue what was going on right under your nose? I know Thome didn't use because he was nice to you and he wouldn't cheat on his wife but did you never have any suspicions of others while you covered them?
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I covered it after testing.

And I've maintained here that, if I had a vote, I don't know whether I'd ever vote for Bonds and Clemens. Probably not, and definitely not yet.

Dick Whitman · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
Click to expand...

If he feels that strongly than his ballot should have been blank.
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This isn't to justify it, but I suspect that it was because Morris was in his last year on the ballot. Kind of an empty protest it ends up being because of that.

JC · Jan 7, 2014

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So what do we use as the threshold now? If a player test positive once does that mean the keepers of the game will never vote for him?

JC · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
Click to expand...

If he feels that strongly than his ballot should have been blank.
Click to expand...

This isn't to justify it, but I suspect that it was because Morris was in his last year on the ballot. Kind of an empty protest it ends up being because of that.
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But he says he won't vote for anybody in the steroid era. Did Morris pitch in the 60's?

Dick Whitman · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

JC said:

So what do we use as the threshold now? If a player test positive once does that mean the keepers of the game will never vote for him?
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That's a great question. David Ortiz seems like he'll be the litmus test for that. He tested positive early in his career, reportedly, and has gone on to put together a Hall of Fame career as an exemplary citizen since then. What happens if a Jordan Schafer or Jose Quintana tests positive as a minor leaguer, then goes on to a 15-20 year HOF career with no further blemishes. What if Ryan Braun does? What about Andy Pettite?

Bonds and Clemens's biggest sin doesn't seem to be juicing so much as being really, really good at juicing.

Dick Whitman · Jan 7, 2014

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

JC said:

Dick Whitman said:

Mizzougrad96 said:

I think one of the reasons this is such a big deal is because to most seamheads, Greg Maddux is the ultimate player, or at least the ultimate pitcher of the last 20-30 years. In the days of the longball, he'd be the pitcher who would come in and throw a 2-1 gem that would be over in less than two hours.

Maddux is a throwback. Lumping him with the beefed-up steroid era players is idiotic.
Click to expand...

You can't win for losing with these people, though, so long as you have a BBWAA badge around your neck.

For 29 pages, we've heard that no one is not suspect in the steroid era, including Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, and Tom Glavine.

Now, as I referred to earlier by noting that Morris was around at the start of that era, he's a weird guy to hitch your wagon to. But it's his last year on the ballot. I think Gurnick's ballot was pretty flawed, but he seemed to have the guts to follow the logic a lot of people here endorsed prior to his ballot being published - that no one from that era is in the clear.
Click to expand...

If he feels that strongly than his ballot should have been blank.
Click to expand...

This isn't to justify it, but I suspect that it was because Morris was in his last year on the ballot. Kind of an empty protest it ends up being because of that.
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But he says he won't vote for anybody in the steroid era. Did Morris pitch in the 60's?
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For sure. I was the first person here to note that. I think his heart was in the right place, and he hitched his wagon to the wrong horse.

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Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

Who will be elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame this year?

Jeff Bagwell

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Tom Glavine

Jeff Kent

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Don Mattingly

Fred McGriff

Mark McGwire

Jack Morris

Mike Mussina

Rafael Palmeiro

Mike Piazza

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Lee Smith

Sammy Sosa

Frank Thomas

Alan Trammell

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Who will be elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame this year?

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Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Tom Glavine

Jeff Kent

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Don Mattingly

Fred McGriff

Mark McGwire

Jack Morris

Mike Mussina

Rafael Palmeiro

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Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Lee Smith

Sammy Sosa

Frank Thomas

Alan Trammell

Larry Walker

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