Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

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Not Thomas?

 

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I know I'm a little late to the party on this, but I don't buy the theory about attempting to figure out whether PED/Steroids helped someone in their career.

Take Barry Bonds for example. In the years before his 36th birthday he hit 494 career home runs. In those same parameters Babe Ruth had 565 home runs.

From the age of 36 till retirement, Ruth managed to add 149 home runs. Bonds on the other hand finished with a total of 268. Bonds nearly slugged half of those Ruth home runs while he was out of his mind and hit 73 in 2007.

So either Bonds hit the fountain of youth after age 35, or he had an unfair advantage to wind up with an extra 48 career home runs over Ruth.

I know some people have the theory that Bonds would have likely wound up with about 550ish home runs in his career if he had not allegedly had an unfair advantage towards the end of his career. But enshrining someone with debatable career numbers in the hall taints the careers of others, in my opinion.

 

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I have long hated the no-unanimous-elections policy, though if the voting remains limited to 10 players, I could sorta support it in years like this. Some voter, knowing Maddux will get in anyway, could leave him off his ballot to vote for a 10th player he/she genuinely feels is deserving.

Now we just have to hope they don't use that vote on Jack Morris.

 

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With all due respect, Mauve, there are some significant holes in your argument.

One is making far to many assumptions based on age. There is certainly evidence out there against Bonds, but comparing his numbers after 35 to Ruth's is a terrible argument. Ruth was known for his lack of conditioning. More importantly, players in Ruth's time did not have the equipment, training methods and legal supplements to their health that Bonds was able to use to his advantage.

I'm not saying Bonds didn't use illegal means as well. I'm saying that the comparison you chose isn't nearly good enough to prove that.

Also, what about the accusations that Ruth used a corked bat? I'm not sure it has ever been clearly proven, but that doesn't seem to stop the PED accusations being applied to so many steroid era players.

 

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Possible, and that is a much better way of putting the argument Dick attempted earlier.

That said, the primary reason Maddux has no shot at getting in unanimously is the voters who refuse to put any player on the ballot the first year of eligibility.

 

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The problem is that there will be ballots that don't vote for Maddux and vote for Morris and like one other guy.

 

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"Trolling"? You are so insufferable.

See if you can follow:

Writer has been voting for 10 guys.

Let's call them Morris, Raines, Bagwell, Biggio, Smith, Piazza, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, and Sosa.

Writer thus cannot vote for Maddux because his ballot does not yet have room for Maddux.

In your world, this was turned into "10 players more deserving than Maddux."

 

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While that's theoretically plausible, I suspect he'd just bump Morris (or one of the PED guys who have no chance for election) and add Maddux.

 

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There are two people on this board who did not check off Maddux in this poll.

 

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They should lose their board Hall of Fame Poll voting privileges.

 

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Yes, troll. You act like one more and more these days and you know it.

And I didn't turn it into anything. Voters should be listing the 10 best players on the ballot. More importantly, and this is the part you keep editing from my argument, is the only reason Maddux has no shot at getting 100 percent of the vote is the idiots who always leave guys off the ballot their first year of eligibility because they insist no player can ever get in unanimously.

You aren't even trying to have an honest discussion. You are trolling and misrepresenting the posts of others.

 

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23 voters chose to ignore Willie Mays; in 1966 there were 20 who ignored Ted Williams; in 1969 there were 23 who ignored Stan Musial; in 1955 there were 28 who ignored Joe DiMaggio, 45 who ignored Frank Robinson and 9 members ignored Hank Aaron.

BBWAA s a fraud and the members are insufferably arrogant and ignorant