Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

You got a problem with that, cat?

 

Sorry for posting info I found in a Deadspin article from 4 years ago. I've edited my original post to remove any mention of you or your alleged voting practice. Now that you've gone on record denying it, I'll never speak of it again, If I hear or read anyone mentioning it, I'll be sure to let them know it is not true.

 

I haven't waded through this entire thread, so forgive me if this has been covered, but I find it interesting that Glavine is a no-doubt, slam-dunk, first-ballot HOFer at 92 percent, while Mike Mussina likely won't sniff the Hall and garnered just 20 percent of the vote.

Consider:
Glavine: 22 seasons, 305 wins (avg. of 13.8/yr), 3.54 ERA, 2,607 K, 1.314 WHIP, 5.3 K/9, 1.74 K/BB, 74 WAR.
Mussina: 18 seasons, 270 wins (15/yr), 3.63 ERA, 2,813 K, 1.192 WHIP, 7.1 K/9, 3.58 K/BB, 83.2 WAR.

Glavine has a couple of Cy Youngs to his credit, but by and large, Mussina was a statistically superior pitcher throwing in a tougher league. So why the 72 percent gap in HOF voting?

 

If they want to give Bill Gallo a vote, I think an exception would be made there.

 

290 of the 571 have been found and still 14 non-Madduxs plus all the below five percenters except Rocca's Nomo unaccounted for

 

Bumping this onto the new page because I'm curious what everyone thinks and didn't want it to get lost. Would love to get some perspective on this from those who vote as well.

 

As a voter, I voted before Tyler Kepner's excellent piece in the Times making the case for Mussina. On my ballot, he got caught in the numbers game created by the logjam created by the PED police. That's an unresolvable issue. Those folks are just as sure they're right as I am that they're wrong. The Hall is going to have to figure out how to resolve it, or worthy candidates like Mussina are going to keep getting caught in the backwash as other surefire Hall of Famers come up year in and out. Pedro's on the ballot next year, for instance. I will try to vote for Mussina, but I've already got seven guys penciled in of my 10 choices.

 

I missed the Kepner piece, but I'll track it down. To clarify, it sounds like you are not taking PED use into account, correct? I get that. PEDs aside, yeah, you'd have to vote in Clemens, Bonds, et. al, ahead of Mussina.

Still, it boggles my mind that Glavine was so overwhelmingly voted in, while Mussina mustered only 20 percent. Their statistics don't warrant such a massive gap in voting.

 

Shouldn't have given up those hits to Alomar and Everett!

Seriously, though, Mussina is pretty close. I'm sure there will be a hooligan in a year or two who turns in this ballot:

MUSSINA

 

Bigpern, I marginally account for PED use by using the completely unscientific method of discounting some of the raw stats like homers, strikeouts by pitchers, etc. Bonds and Clemens are obvious Hall of Famers unless one has, as many do, the conviction that they are morally tainted by doing something most everyone else in the sport was too.

 

BBWAA clearly establishes that membership in MENSA is clearly not prerequisite to HOF voting

 

Actually, I'm intrigued.

If Mussina has the same numbers, but DOES throw those 2 no-hitters, including perfect game, does he get in?