Maddux, Glavine, Thomas elected to Baseball Hall of Fame; Biggio just misses

Re: 2014 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame ballot released

Maybe I am having trouble comprehending what you are saying because you don't seem to really have a point other then to crap on my numbers theory. You said in your original post that Bonds could have taken PEDs, but now you are saying it is a stretch to question the monster numbers he put up at the end of his career.

That's why I asked whether you think Bonds took PEDs or not, a question you really haven't answered. I am trying to figure out if people actually doubt that Bonds took something, or if they are just turning a blind eye from the problem.

 

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Oop playing the reading comprehension card right now is rich. This after he turned what I actually said, "Someone might still be voting for 10 people who have been on the ballot longer than Maddux," into, "You think there are 10 people on the ballot more deserving than Maddux."

 

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Nope, it is a failing on your part. I've explained it to you twice and you can't keep up.

You are trying to use a comparison of the career arcs of Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds as evidence that Bonds used PEDs. Even if you compared Bonds to a player in the modern era, that would be flawed evidence at best. The sample size is too small and it could just be one body aging better than another.

But it is even worse when you use Ruth for the reasons I explained. Ruth was known for not taking proper care of his body. Bonds was the exact opposite. Bonds also had training methods, equipment and legal supplements that Ruth could have only dreamed of, so of course Bonds would age better.

That's the point. There is certainly evidence that Bonds used. He did, in his own screwy way, admit to unknowingly using something. That doesn't make your comparison to Ruth useful. It isn't.

Regarding whether or not I think Bonds used, I leave the speculation to others. There are far too many people willing to pass judgement based on educated guesswork. I am not willing to do that. I'd say that "confession" deserves closer scrutiny because it is the most damning evidence, but even that isn't clear.

 

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Except that isn't what I said and you know it. This is just more lying on your part, pulled out of context in the hopes that your dishonesty will be believed.

I said the only reason Maddux has no shot to get 100 percent of the vote is the idiots who refuse to vote for any player in his first year of eligibility, mostly because they don't ever want anyone to get in unanimously. You tried to counter that with your foolish theory, that a voter might just leave 10 other guys on there ahead of Maddux, even though there are clearly not 10 players more deserving on the ballot this year. That doesn't counter my point at all and it doesn't justify leaving Maddux off any ballot, either. Just leaving 10 other guys on because they are ahead of him in line, even though Maddux is more deserving, is lazy and right up there with the first ballot bullshit among the ridiculous crap some voters pull.

Now, if you can't post on an anonymous message board without lying, you really should consider seeking help.

 

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I'm keeping my ballot out of this forum this year, because of some folks' tone and refusal to respect differing opinions.

But I hate that the "first year of eligibility" thing became a thing, because once it did, it became a thing for some voters to protect.

I think the 15-year eligibility period is a good thing because of the context it allows. Some players are so clearly deserving that they go in right away. Others look better over time, as their careers get compared to more recent players. And I maintain that waiting while PED suspicions are sorted out is legitimate, since we're given the time in the first place.

I've always figured there were some voters who don't want anyone to be elected unanimously. I also assume there are the "first-year" guardians. They aren't necessarily the same voters. Only those with a chance at unanimity would summon the first group to action, while only those who might not be slam-dunk HOFers would stir the second group. Probably there's some overlap. It's possible there are those who figure Maddux will make it and will vote for 10 others.

But overall, the anti-unanimity and anti-first-year groups are small and only a part of the many agendas voters bring to this process. We're learning more about the anti-DH bloc in recent years. And there's some schisming between the analytics folks and those who still talk "eye test." Haven't budged that far from the anti-relief pitching bias either.

I don't see any great injustices at this point. No obviously deserving player I"m aware of has had his 15 years of eligibility lapse, without making the Hall, for a truly unfair or wrong reason. (Rose has never been on the ballot, and I've actually softened on him lately since he's served more time than most felons.)

 

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Holy fucking fuck. I didn't say it was a terrific method. I said it was a different method. Which you switched to "10 guys more deserving than Maddux." Just admit you messed up, being in one of your patented tizzies, and let's move on.

 

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I understand crystal clear. You are an expert on why my theory is flawed, but you don't have the stones to give me a straight answer on what you think is going on.

This kind of whining accomplishes nothing.

 

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Why would I admit that I messed up when I did not? Sorry, you don't get your by lying.

My argument stands. Maddux will not get 100 percent because of the jackasses who think nobody should ever get 100 percent. That is why he has no shot at a unanimous vote. Nothing you have said comes close to countering that, which is why you tried to edit it out earlier.

 

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Learn to read. I've made it very clear what I think of people making judgements they can't back up with solid evidence. For me to turn around and make such a judgement would be hypocritical.

Any chance you will admit the massive holes in your theory?

 

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Yes, we are aware that you are perfectly comfortable with voters misusing or abusing their vote. You have made that abundantly clear many times over.

And now you are softening on Rose? He bet on baseball. He broke the most important rule in the game and he lied about it for YEARS. He did far more to compromise the integrity of the game than any of the PED users you are so desperate to punish. To say he should get in but somebody like Bagwell or Piazza, who you can't even prove did anything wrong, should not simply makes you look like a hypocrite.

But hey, you found an excuse to justify not having the guts to post your vote, so congratulations on that.

 

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I never said my theory was perfect, but the writing is on the wall here with Bonds. If you want a full confession from every player before you believe they used, that is your business.

 

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Failed drug tests work, too. You know, actual evidence rather than guesswork.

Far better than setting the standard of proof at the level of educated guess, which is what you want to do.

Your theory isn't just not perfect. It doesn't work at all.