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outofplace · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

shockey said:

MankyJimy said:

Stunning only if you prematurely gave up on him. The guy was the best all-around player in the league in 2009, then you guys buried him after a so-so 2010.
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a 'so-so 2010' was alarming. when the struggles continued through july '11, there was plenty of reason for the most devoted jeter fans not named manky to think, 'well, what a great run he's had but he's human after all.'
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Well who was proven right? I was the lone voice telling all of you this was just a blip and the real Jeter would emerge.

I still think the Yankees need to replace Kevin Long after the season. I tell you what's alarming - when the top hitter has to turn to someone outside the clubhouse to help get him out of the slump. Long is not earning his keep.
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Wait, when did Robinson Cano go to somebody outside the clubhouse for help?

More comedy. The real Jeter? The one who can't get his slugging percentage over .400?

And no, you can't dismiss the first half. It happened.

The Long stuff is where you really shine in your sad little game. The Yankees won the division. They are going to end up with home field throughout. Last I checked, they were second in the majors in runs scored. It would be idiotic to fire the hitting coach.

Rumpleforeskin · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

Trouser_Buddah said:

So there are only 100 players?
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There are 25 (or 40) per team, 30 teams. You can do the math.
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Let's say 25 players per each team. That would be 750 players. Ninety-nine percent of that is 742. So you want to say only eight players would take their career over Jeter's? OK.

MankyJimy · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

outofplace said:

MankyJimy said:

shockey said:

MankyJimy said:

Stunning only if you prematurely gave up on him. The guy was the best all-around player in the league in 2009, then you guys buried him after a so-so 2010.
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a 'so-so 2010' was alarming. when the struggles continued through july '11, there was plenty of reason for the most devoted jeter fans not named manky to think, 'well, what a great run he's had but he's human after all.'
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Well who was proven right? I was the lone voice telling all of you this was just a blip and the real Jeter would emerge.

I still think the Yankees need to replace Kevin Long after the season. I tell you what's alarming - when the top hitter has to turn to someone outside the clubhouse to help get him out of the slump. Long is not earning his keep.
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Wait, when did Robinson Cano go to somebody outside the clubhouse for help?

More comedy. The real Jeter? The one who can't get his slugging percentage over .400?

And no, you can't dismiss the first half. It happened.

The Long stuff is where you really shine in your sad little game. The Yankees won the division. They are going to end up with home field throughout. Last I checked, they were second in the majors in runs scored. It would be idiotic to fire the hitting coach.
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Jeter got help from Gary Denbo mid-season. Totally different hitter after that.

Slugging percentage is irrelevant to the discussion of a leadoff hitter. He still gets on base close to 40% of the time which is what you want.

The first half happened, but the way he's hit since then is how he will hit next year. He's still in great shape and as long (no pun intented) as he tunes out Long he will continue to hit.

MankyJimy · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

Rumpleforeskin said:

MankyJimy said:

Trouser_Buddah said:

So there are only 100 players?
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There are 25 (or 40) per team, 30 teams. You can do the math.
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Let's say 25 players per each team. That would be 750 players. Ninety-nine percent of that is 742. So you want to say only eight players would take their career over Jeter's? OK.
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You're being glib. You know what I meant.

SkiptomyLou · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
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Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
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Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?

MankyJimy · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
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Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
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Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?
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How is it obvious?

You like WAR...Jeter's ahead of Chipper in that.

deviljets7 · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

Slugging percentage is irrelevant to the discussion of a leadoff hitter. He still gets on base close to 40% of the time which is what you want.
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Translation: don't bring up the fact that Jeter is now a glorified singles hitter!

SkiptomyLou · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
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Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
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Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?
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How is it obvious?

You like WAR...Jeter's ahead of Chipper in that.
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What are you talking about??? Chipper's career WAR is 83, while Jeter's is 70.7.....

Career numbers
Chipper .305 AVG .403 OBP .935 OPS 141 OPS+ 453 HR 4573 Total Bases
Jetes .313 AVG .383 OBP .832 OPS 117 OPS+ 240 HR 4426 Total Bases

Chipper is better... period

spikechiquet · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
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Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
Click to expand...

Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?
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How is it obvious?

You like WAR...Jeter's ahead of Chipper in that.
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What are you talking about??? Chipper's career WAR is 83, while Jeter's is 70.7.....

Career numbers
Chipper .305 AVG .403 OBP .935 OPS 141 OPS+ 453 HR 4573 Total Bases
Jetes .313 AVG .383 OBP .832 OPS 117 OPS+ 240 HR 4426 Total Bases

Chipper is better... period
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But Jeter is a Yankee...case closed

MankyJimy · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
Click to expand...

Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
Click to expand...

Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?
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How is it obvious?

You like WAR...Jeter's ahead of Chipper in that.
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What are you talking about??? Chipper's career WAR is 83, while Jeter's is 70.7.....

Career numbers
Chipper .305 AVG .403 OBP .935 OPS 141 OPS+ 453 HR 4573 Total Bases
Jetes .313 AVG .383 OBP .832 OPS 117 OPS+ 240 HR 4426 Total Bases

Chipper is better... period
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You left out postseason WAR.

deviljets7 · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

Chipper's playoff career (92 games): .870 OPS, .288 avg, .411 obp, .459 slug
Jeter's playoff career (147 games: .849 OPS, .309 avg, .377 obp, .472 slug

SkiptomyLou · Sep 26, 2011

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

MankyJimy said:

SkiptomyLou said:

Jeter isn't even the best active player that's only been on one team.

That distinction belongs to Chipper Jones.
Click to expand...

Yeah...why don't you ask Chipper that. I guarantee 99% of all players would trade their careers for Jeter's. The 1% is Rivera who has been there for all the championships and is regarded as the greatest reliever of all time. That's it.
Click to expand...

Why do I need to ask Chipper to figure out he's had a better career than Jeter? I can't just look at the stats and figure out the obvious?
Click to expand...

How is it obvious?

You like WAR...Jeter's ahead of Chipper in that.
Click to expand...

What are you talking about??? Chipper's career WAR is 83, while Jeter's is 70.7.....

Career numbers
Chipper .305 AVG .403 OBP .935 OPS 141 OPS+ 453 HR 4573 Total Bases
Jetes .313 AVG .383 OBP .832 OPS 117 OPS+ 240 HR 4426 Total Bases

Chipper is better... period
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You left out postseason WAR.
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They're pretty much the same in the postseason only Jeter has played more games making your argument still dumb

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