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Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

Over their entire careers:

St. Jeter averages 142 games per season.

Jones averages 132 games per season. He's played 130 or more three of the last five seasons.

Jeter leads, but it's not hugely significant.


And in the last 8 seasons, Jones has averaged 121 games per season.

 

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

That sounds like a big difference to me.

 

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He was playing 150-155 games a year for the first half of his career, and it's not as if Jeter has never, ever been hurt.

 

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Meanwhile, while they were playing, Larry hit 304/402/533 and Jeter hit 313/389/449. 13 points of OBP and 84 points of SLG are a big difference.

 

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I like Chipper Jones, but Jetes is a warrior. He's played in nearly every game his entire career, except 2003 when he was injured and very recently when Girardi started resting him to keep him fresh for the playoffs.

What would Chipper have hit if he had been forced to play the extra 20 games per season that separated him from Jeter? I can guarantee you he would not have hit .300 and slugged .500. In fact, he probably would have been so bad that it would have dragged his overall averages below Jeter's.

I think it's totally fair to penalize Chipper for all the games he missed to injury, if we're going to compare him to Jeter.

Here's a project for someone that likes stats: Chipper Jones has 995 fewer plate appearances in his career than Jeter, despite starting his career a year before Jeter. Add 995 outs to his record and see how his stats change.

 

Re: Running Derek Jeter Thread

For other people's benefit and not Mr. Puppet's, you don't add 995 outs because his replacement wouldn't have made 995 outs.

 

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Then how many outs would his replacement have made? Are you suggesting that Chipper should get credit for what his recplacement did while he was in the trainer's room?

 

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I've never heard anyone suggest before that a regular player on the disables list should be awarded the stats of his replacement. Is this something Beane practices in Oakland?

 

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If Chipper did not break down so much in his 30s, he would be coming back next season for a run at 3,000 hits and 500 HRs. But being hurt lessens his legacy. Heck, he could have been in the discussion with Schmidt as greatest 3B of all time.

 

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As it is, he's merely a HOFer and better than Derek Jeter. He'll have to settle for that.

 

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Not better...

Hello, Mr. Square One.

 

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Almost 100 points of OPS better.