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Mass Murder by Shooting Spree Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Songbird, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Gun homicide rate is down, not up.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Loser:

    Local government records from Indiana's Tippecanoe County show Jerad Miller was charged with felony possession of marijuana in 2010.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-las-vegas-shooting-20140609,0,6955008.story
     
  3. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    There is that, but you wish these zeroes could just off themselves in private if that's what they want.
    The difference now is they need to take innocent people with them.
    This Miller guy, blaming the govt for his teeth and not his meth habit, might be the biggest pussy of all these recent guys.
     
  4. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    It's not a sane world. It's the Indiana legislature.

    But here's how: the Indiana State Supreme Court, in a series of 2011 decisions, essentially upheld the use of so-called no-knock warrants -- that if police have a reasonable expectation a crime is being committed, they can barge in.

    http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2011/05/ind_decisions_s_664.html

    http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2011/05/ind_decisions_t_547.html

    There are legitimate reasons this could be a bad thing, especially combined with police departments' increasing acquisition of military-style equipment. There are plenty of horror stories of how this has gone wrong.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/9-horrifying-botched-police-raids-2012-2?op=1

    In one of the cases, a 3-2 decision, the Indiana Supreme Court majority made the following statement: "We hold that there is no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers."

    That's when the NRA pushed the state legislature to swing into action. It added "or public servant" to the list of people you can respond with force against under the state's Castle Doctrine.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar41/ch3.html

    "In enacting this section, the general assembly finds and declares that it is the policy of this state to recognize the unique character of a citizen's home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant. ...

    (c) A person is justified in using reasonable force against any other person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
    (1) is justified in using deadly force; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
    (d) A person:
    (1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against any other person; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle."

    (I had to look up "curtilage." It's the land surrounding your home. Shooter from "Hoosiers" fired off his shotgun and yelled "identify" to Coach Dale to ensure his curtilage was not breached.)

    Now, this law doesn't give you the right to jump into a pizza place and shoot cops. However, if you "reasonably" think a public servant (and not just a cop) is forcing their way in and intends to hurt you, now you get to shoot first and have questions asked of you later.

    I know the intent was to stop overreaching cops from busting into your house for no reason (or the wrong reason). But the way the law is written, you can see why cops who pull over speeders are now even more nervous than usual.
     
  5. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    No known casualties, but reports of active shooter at a suburban Portland, Ore., high school.

    http://www.kptv.com/category/210121/watch-fox-12-live-video-stream
     
  6. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Shooter's dead, but that doesn't trump the Second Amendment.
     
  7. Key

    Key Well-Known Member

    Shooter killed a student, per AP:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OREGON_SCHOOL_SHOOTING?SITE=AP
     
  8. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    Only two dead this time? Hell, that hardly even counts as a real school shooting these days.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but if they were white, it deserves wall-to-wall cable coverage.
     
  10. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    But don't call it a terrorist attack. White people are incapable of being terrorists.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Will this be the only murder/suicide in America today?
     
  12. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/reynolds_high_shooting_police_1.html

    "10:47 a.m.: Reynolds students are now talking about what they heard and saw:

    The gunman wounded a teacher, then was trapped in a bathroom.
    The confusion that occurred about the number of gunmen at the scene apparently happened because two students were found carrying guns when authorities did a pat-down.
    A 14-year-old boy who was in the gym said he heard a loud noise. He and his friends thought something had fallen. It was a gunshot. "
     
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