Maybe Bush not quite as "faith-based" as he would have us think?

You don't know that. You have no way of proving that. And if you knew even a small percentage of the Christian philosophy as it is practiced today, you wouldn't have made such a ignorant statement.

 

I agree with you here, hondo. I think most Christians (and I am one) are like you say. But it's the Robertsons, Swaggarts and Dobsons of the world who make everyone look just a little bit wacky.

 

Mark down this moment. I agree with hondo on something. The end is near.

Although, I think a lot of liberals treat not only Christians, but religion in general, as a horrible thing. Forgetting, of course, that freedom of religion was one of the things this country was founded on.

But I'm still a liberal. I can criticize my own.

 

Yes I do know that. Whenever religion is given too much power by the government or has power over the government that's what happens.

And it wouldn't even necessarily be the Christians acting that way. It would be people who see that being "Christian" is a way to power and to carry out their little vendettas and schemes.

Always happens that way.

 

Hondo once again misses the point.

How about you keep your belief system to yourself? Why would you presume that I'm interested?

We don't need to be preached to or prayed for. We'll handle our relationship with God on our own.

The so-called Christians who want to FORCE their religious beliefs on all aspects of North American society are the ones that deserve to be treated with disdain.

 

I think the problem people have with that, hondo, is that instead of accepting responsibility, you're pointing the finger at someone else.

Instead of saying, "Yeah. You know what? The Republicans were wrong. Foley messed up..." your m.o. is to blame someone else.

Is that consistent with Christianity? (You don't have to answer -- I'm just asking rhetorically.)

If someone treated Jesus poorly (and many people did), would an acceptable excuse have been, "Yeah, but look at what Pontius Pilate did."

 

Color me fucking shocked.

 

JR, why are you making sense? Don't you know that we need inbred jackasses like Hondo to force his religious beliefs on those who may or may not believe in Christ.

 

Well, we knew he wasn't a Muslim.

 

He is, however, an asshole.

 

As long as I want to say a little prayer for your soul, what's the big deal. You won't even know whether I did or not. And I'm not preaching to you ... just letting you know there's an alternative in this world to cynacism and hate. Take it or leave it.
And please cite the last time a Christian FORCED his belief system on someone ... at least in the way that extremist Muslims FORCE their belief system -- such as not allowing the practice of any other religion in certain countries, or not extending full rights to people who want to practice another religion, or just outright killing them because they don't.

 

1. Never tried to force my religious belief on anyone. If you think discussing it and offering it as life choice is "forcing," then you've got a pretty short fuse when it comes to entertaining new ideas. Here's the way I "force" it on people: I give them the 5-cent version, and they can take it or leave it.

2. Why the insult. "Inbred jackass?" Just what the hell did I or any Christian do to you to elicit such a venemous oath?
This is what I meant earlier: A Christian who merely talks or offers his or her views is greeted with much more contempt on this board than an extremist in another of the world's leading religions would get for forcing someone to convert to his religion at the point of a gun or knife, then killing that person if they didn't.