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Meanwhile on the International front....

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by DanOregon, Apr 28, 2023.

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  1. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Same bullshit as "THIS is the time they'll ruin Trump's career!"

    Netanyahu ain't ending the war. Not now, not in six months, not in a year. Only way it ends is if he's pushed out of office (unlikely) or if he drops dead.
     
    wicked, May 31, 2024
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  2. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    In his defense, Netanyahu will probably end the war when he's finally killed enough people to stomp out terrorism emerging from Palestinian territory. .... annnnnnny day now. ....
     
    Justin_Rice, May 31, 2024
    #2750
  3. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    "Yair Lapid, the opposition leader and chairman of Yesh Atid, and Avigdor Liberman, the Yisrael Beytenu chairman, met with New Hope chairman Gideon Sa’ar on Wednesday “to discuss the formation of an alternative government,” the Jerusalem Post reported. “Sources in the opposition said the three parties are taking steps to overthrow the government and combine different parties to form a new government.” They are also planning to include war cabinet member Benny Gantz, who has vowed to leave the emergency cabinet and pull his centrist party out of Netanyahu’s coalition if there is no postwar plan by June 8."
     
    Neutral Corner, May 31, 2024
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  4. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Neutral Corner, Jun 1, 2024
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  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Pressure "mounting" or "growing," but no one seems to know what's actually happening.


    Middle East crisis live: Israel accepts Biden’s Gaza plan but it ‘is not a good deal’, says Netanyahu aide

    The latest peace plan for Gaza was given a launch worthy of a historic turning point, with the US president delivering remarks directly to camera from the White House state dining room, declaring it finally “time for this war to end”.

    Yet even as Joe Biden spelled out the proposal – leading in theory to a permanent end to hostilities, large-scale food deliveries and the start of reconstruction, there was clearly something awry.

    If this plan was an Israeli proposal as Biden claimed, why was it being launched by Biden in Washington? There had been no word from Israel. By the time Biden began his remarks, it was already Friday night in the Middle East, the sabbath was under way and government offices closed.


    After Biden’s Push for Truce, Netanyahu Calls Israel’s War Plans Unchanged

    A day after President Biden called on Israel and Hamas to reach a truce, declaring that it was “time for this war to end,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday reiterated that Israel would not agree to a permanent cease-fire in Gaza as long as Hamas still retains governing and military power.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...amas-war-news-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-biden/

    TEL AVIV — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faced mounting pressure at home and abroad on Saturday to advance a Gaza cease-fire proposal unveiled by President Biden, with thousands rallying in Tel Aviv to support a deal, and world leaders urging both Israel and Hamas to agree to end the war.

    In a joint statement Saturday, the United States, Qatar and Egypt, which together have mediated the negotiations, called on Israel and Hamas to “finalize the agreement,” saying the proposed deal “offers a roadmap for a permanent ceasefire and ending the crisis.”
     
    Azrael, Jun 2, 2024
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  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's Joe Biden being Joe Biden. It was an attempt to talk around specifics in a way that would allow Hamas to say it is getting what it wants and Israel could say it is getting what it wants. But it doesn't really accomplish that.

    People who don't understand that will then be able to blame someone for scuttling peace if it falls apart because it doesn't solve the intractability of these two things: 1) Israel saying, "Hamas must be gone before we back off for good," 2) Hamas saying, "They must pull out permanently and we stay."

    It may or may not have been a good political move on the part of Biden. The U.S. has very little leverage. The only way Israel is ever going to back off is if the pressure on the government comes internally -- from Israelis. And that is what he was aiming for. I guess it is astute that he is realizing that, even if his way of trying to get to them may backfire.

    I think the majority of people who have been posting on here have been mistaken in thinking that because Netanyahu is an asshole that it's him prosecuting a war that Israelis are not behind. You see something about a protest there and you extrapolate it to the broad Israeli population. After 10/7, it was a bit like the passions in the U.S. after 9/11. They not only wanted safety and security from that sort of thing they wanted vengeance. The question is, how long those passions last -- how much stomach do they have for the war and how much outside pressure are they willing to stand up to. When Israelis (like the broad population) get past it. ... is when it will end. Netanyahu's goals around his political survival will be extraneous to it. There is a ton of opposition there that wants power as much as he does. Those couple of right wing ministers who give Netanyahu his coalition are a huge minority. They have power because the majority of Israeli's supported turning Gaza into a parking lot after October 7. When their tolerance for it changes, Smotrich and Gvir go back to being a fringe.
     
    The Big Ragu, Jun 2, 2024
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  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Neutral Corner, Jun 2, 2024
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  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    WaPo free link:


    Biden’s cease-fire plan tightens political squeeze for Netanyahu in Israel

    https://wapo.st/4dYJvP3
     
    Neutral Corner, Jun 2, 2024
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  9. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Could be kind of a huge deal. Might even say a big f-king deal.
     
    DanOregon, Jun 2, 2024
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  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Might be. Might be spinning their wheels one more time, too. Lots of smoke, might be a fire there.
     
    Neutral Corner, Jun 2, 2024
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  11. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    garrow, Jun 3, 2024
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  12. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Starman, Jun 3, 2024
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