Mitchell Report Thread (Nothing to see here! Drugs are bad. Crisis averted!)

Inky_Wretch · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

Starving Journalist said:

Peter Gammons is on ESPN. He is pissed at how vague the report is in some parts.
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Interesting emotion from Gammons there.

BYH · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

Am I the only one thinking Gammons' criticism of Larry Bigbie is encroaching dangerously close to "leave our game alone?"

This just in: Larry Bigbie is not the only one to accuse Brian Roberts of using steroids.

D-3 Fan · Dec 13, 2007

Re: The Running Mitchell Report Thread (List of players in report on pg. 17)

The Big Ragu said:

For all of you who are disappointed, what did you expect? He wasn't going to get much cooperation. He's lucky the Feds had caught a few fish, or else he'd have come to the table with zilch. The investigators were probably clueless about even asking a lot of the right questions. And it's not like they had a giant spotlight they could turn on people and get weak-kneed confessions. He has no legal authority, and even if he did, he wasn't going to get much sympathy from within the game. The best you could have hoped for was for him to catalogue what is already known and put it into one document, and then make some suggestions about moving forward. There are a ton of players who managed to evade being mentioned. And with HGH and the next batch of undetectable steroids, this isn't going to go away. Now mlb and the union will try to put in a better program, but only because Congress will be shitting down their throats until they do. And even with the better program, this is going to be a permanent part of the sport. 10 years from now, Androids might be playing the game and hitting 800-foot home runs instead of humans. Forget about the names at this point. People have to pretty much paint the last 10 to 15 years, as well as the future, with a broad brush and accept that it is what it is. Now the question--and this has always been the question--is, does it matter to you? For some people it will be no big deal. For others, there is an integrity thing. And you'll never get agreement. Eventually many of the people with the integrity concerns will probably be worn down by an unchanging reality and just accept it.
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Ragu, in an ironic sort of way, tell us something we didn't already know (except the ones who thought it would bag more big names) about this.

Back to Congress and for those who thought the boys in D.C. had better things to do than to poke their nose into this mess, now people think that this was a dog-and-pony show.

This might be a dumb question, but if we didn't want Congress involved and if having Mitchell do this was going to amount to much ado about nothing, who was going to do probe into this? Sherlock Holmes?

Steak Snabler · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

The Big Ragu said:

Eventually many of the people with the integrity concerns will probably be worn down by an unchanging reality and just accept it.
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Agreed. As with a lot of people here, I'm sure, I'm a lifelong obsessive baseball fan, but allegations of cheating/juicing don't upset me nearly as much as they did 5-10 years ago ..

zeke12 · Dec 13, 2007

Re: The Running Mitchell Report Thread (Accurate players list on pg. 19)

The Big Ragu said:

Zeke12 said:

I think having Mitchell's name on it is enough to keep Congress at bay.
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Henry Waxman will say fuck you to George Mitchell while wearing a tutu, if it gets him extended camera time.
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That might work for a straight-to-DVD enterprise.

BYH · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

Two minutes in and Bud's already thrown out his arm patting himself on the back.

This guy's the biggest fraud in sports.

Starving Journalist · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

The official list of names:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

The Big Ragu · Dec 13, 2007

Re: The Running Mitchell Report Thread (List of players in report on pg. 17)

D-3 Fan said:

The Big Ragu said:

For all of you who are disappointed, what did you expect? He wasn't going to get much cooperation. He's lucky the Feds had caught a few fish, or else he'd have come to the table with zilch. The investigators were probably clueless about even asking a lot of the right questions. And it's not like they had a giant spotlight they could turn on people and get weak-kneed confessions. He has no legal authority, and even if he did, he wasn't going to get much sympathy from within the game. The best you could have hoped for was for him to catalogue what is already known and put it into one document, and then make some suggestions about moving forward. There are a ton of players who managed to evade being mentioned. And with HGH and the next batch of undetectable steroids, this isn't going to go away. Now mlb and the union will try to put in a better program, but only because Congress will be shitting down their throats until they do. And even with the better program, this is going to be a permanent part of the sport. 10 years from now, Androids might be playing the game and hitting 800-foot home runs instead of humans. Forget about the names at this point. People have to pretty much paint the last 10 to 15 years, as well as the future, with a broad brush and accept that it is what it is. Now the question--and this has always been the question--is, does it matter to you? For some people it will be no big deal. For others, there is an integrity thing. And you'll never get agreement. Eventually many of the people with the integrity concerns will probably be worn down by an unchanging reality and just accept it.
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Ragu, in an ironic sort of way, tell us something we didn't already know (except the ones who thought it would bag more big names) about this.

Back to Congress and for those who thought the boys in D.C. had better things to do than to poke their nose into this mess, now people think that this was a dog-and-pony show.

This might be a dumb question, but if we didn't want Congress involved and if having Mitchell do this was going to amount to much ado about nothing, who was going to do probe into this? Sherlock Holmes?
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My response was actually to a bunch of posts saying, "I am disappointed." Apparently some people didn't really think about what as likely to come out of all of this. so I wasn't being ironic or non-ironic. I was just responding to those posts.

Why be disappointed? This was the best you could expect. Anyone who thought about it in advance knew that. The one small benefit will be that the last few holdouts with their heads in the sand might now accept that use has been rampant for a long time. For me, it has always been a ridiculous exercise arguing about it, when even as recently as a year ago, I was having arguments on this board with people telling me I was way overstating the problem and labeling me a witch hunter. This report will at least bring the type of attention that will make people accept that it is entrenched in baseball and that it isn't going to go away -- even if mlb and the union do all the best things they can possibly do to try to prevent use. Now we can have an honest debate about whether the prevalent use is a big deal or not (and there is no right or wrong answer to that one. It's just based on how you feel about it). I hated those debates when they were being muddled with people making ridiculous arguments that it wasn't even prevalent and that I was a witch hunter because I couldn't produce photos of syringes sticking out of skin.

jgmacg · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

Selig: "Blah, integrity, blah, action, blah."

BYH · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

case by case = I'm not going to punish Clemens

I have a lot of work ahead of me = lots of long lunches at the hot dog stand in milwaukee

Beaker · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

I think he's said "action" about 20 times already.

ondeadline · Dec 13, 2007

Re: Running Mitchell Report Thread (Players list on pg. 19; What now?)

jgmacg said:

Selig: "Blah, integrity, blah, action, blah."
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[blue]That's called leadership!

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