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MLB 2022: The Long and Winding Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Starman, Mar 18, 2022.

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  1. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    AKA Coors Field, where a dreadful home team played in front of an average of 32,000 per game and finished in the top 10 in MLB. It helps that it's easy to get in and out of the stadium and it's still a gorgeous stadium.
     
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  2. Jake from State Farm

    Jake from State Farm Well-Known Member

    I watch the Tigers and the playoffs
    Like most of the Tampa Bay area, I don’t give a shit about the Rays
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Probably doesn't hurt that Coors Field has the cheapest beer among MLB ballparks.
     
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  4. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Yup. And ticket prices are not outrageous.
     
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  5. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Didn't the "Moneyball" A's do exactly that, after a fashion, with their emphasis on OBP and walks, etc.?

    There are solutions. Restrict the # of pitchers on a roster to 10 or 11. Eliminate the shift. The expedited pitch clock will help.

    Football, hockey and basketball all made significant rule changes to enhance the offense and make for a better game. Baseball should be no different.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    For all the attention to the A's moneyball teams being constructed around guys who got on base. ... I always thought the bigger part of their success was due to them homegrowing Hudson, Mulder and Zito and the three of them dominating at the same time. Great starting pitching, and even a mediocre lineup (and they always had some pop in that lineup) can take a team really far.
     
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  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    The Guardians are the team you are looking for, but as you noticed, that only got them so far.
     
  8. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    True, but it only gets you so far. PNC Park is a wonderful place to watch a game. It is also very easy to get in and out. If I still lived in Pittsburgh, I would be going to a few games every year just for that experience. Even with that, attendance is poor because the franchise is a joke. The franchise is a joke because the owner is a cheap asshole who exploits the system in MLB to line his pocket while not giving a damn about the team.
     
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Correct: If you love the game you love the game, all its warts and problems.
     
  10. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I can still love the game but not want to pay to see it, especially if the team I grew up supporting makes decisions that show nothing but disdain for the fans.
     
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  11. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Here's the question you have to ask yourself: Say you have a crowd of 18,000 at a PNC Park game. And say the owners are doing everything in their power to put a winner on the field. How much is that attendance number affected? 27,000? 21,000? 18,001?

    MLB ownership gambles on that every day, every game. The Angelos family has straddled that line for decades, knowing that the venue itself was going to put X number of fannies in the seats regardless of how much they ignored franchise needs.

    And there's probably a different answer to that for every franchise.
     
  12. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    Mets too. The game has swung so far in the other direction--power or bust--that while a team can do very well over 162 games by identifying the market inefficiency, it's almost impossible to win with small ball in a short series.
     
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