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MLB Thread Number 3, 2007

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Flying Headbutt, May 5, 2007.

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  1. beefncheddar

    beefncheddar Guest

    .225? Hell, he hasn't been there in a week. He's now below .200, IIRC.
     
    beefncheddar, May 5, 2007
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  2. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    Oh I wish he was hitting .225. It's more like .200. And when your MVP is doing that and not coming through you need your five-hole hitter (who is making $27 million over this season and next) to pick him up and drive in runs. Not to stand there and pray for walks so someone else can do the job.
     
    melock, May 5, 2007
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  3. beefncheddar

    beefncheddar Guest

    And there's the rub.

    If Burrell had Rollins' stats and Rollins had Burrell's, nobody would have a problem. Not only that, the manager would have folks hitting where they belong and the team might not be damn-near eliminated. It's all perception.
     
    beefncheddar, May 5, 2007
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  4. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    You're wrong, again.

    Batting average means shit. OBP tells you just how many times a guy gets on base in terms of total plate appearances. Right now he's getting on base 44 percent of the time he gets to the plate. That's absurdly good. Even if just 27 percent or whatever of his at bats are hits, the fact that he's getting on base much more than that is good.

    And the Oakland A's were NOT a small ball team. They were designed around the 3-run homer, and were able to get them and other big hits because they always had guys on base. The Phils can't get that three-run homer they don't get runners on base.
     
    Flying Headbutt, May 5, 2007
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  5. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    How the hell does a base hit = a walk?

    There's more good things that can happen with a base hit than a walk, some of which have been pointed out here. Almost all of which have to do with advancing baserunners.

    And yes, obviously a walk is far better than an out, but extending the inning doesn't mean much in the final balance if nothing happens after you extend it. And yes I know it can happen with singles too.

    The only advantage of a walk over a single I can think of is working the count and tiring the pitcher.
     
    Bubbler, May 5, 2007
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  6. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    Point is, and this is just like talking to a wall, Burrell is a guy that is supposed to be hitting the 3-run homer. He's not supposed to be cowhering and praying for walks. It's obvious when the guy comes up to the plate he's more interested in dropping his bat than swinging it. I could give two shits if his OBP is .441 or .541, I want the five-hole guy driving in runs. It's called the heart of your order for a reason. The table setters are at the top not in the middle.
     
    melock, May 5, 2007
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  7. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    Well your last statement makes plenty of sense, and is underrated at times by people.

    True, a walk means nothing if no one else behind you does anything. But then, if the guys hitting behind you can't hit, how is it your fault that they're meager bats are in the lineup?
     
    Flying Headbutt, May 5, 2007
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  8. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Headbutt, during the dismal 4-3 loss to Atlanta, ESPN showed a graphic that the Phils had like the third or fourth highest OBP in the league. They ain't getting three-run homers because they ain't getting homers, period.
     
    Michael_ Gee, May 5, 2007
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  9. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    At least you'rse seeing things from my perspective now.
     
    Flying Headbutt, May 5, 2007
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  10. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    Funny thing is Howard hit a 3-run bomb that night. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn.
     
    melock, May 5, 2007
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  11. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    He's also 73rd in runs, 77th in hits, 47th in doubles, 70th in RBI, 85th in total bases, 66th in slugging ...

    You're citing one stat. That one stat is not the be-all, end-all of a hitter's production.
     
    buckweaver, May 5, 2007
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  12. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    You have your opinion and I have mine. It's obvious you haven't been watching Burrell be a beotch for four of the last five years.
     
    melock, May 5, 2007
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