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Money Ball the movie

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MankyJimy, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    He is responsible for painting a complete picture and his editors share that responsibility. This is a work of non-fiction.

    The Zito/Hudson/Mulder omission was grave and should have been pointed out to him during the editing process.
     
  2. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Going tonight. Not on pins and needles about it, but am curious.
     
  3. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Whether Lewis had a moral obligation to do so is arguable. But I think it's fair to say there aren't a lot of "Hey, let's punch up the journalism here" discussions between authors and book editors. It's on Lewis, not the editor. It's just how the industry works. As Dick said, there is absolutely no way any person at W.W. Norton & Company Inc. has ever lost a minute of sleep wondering if they should have forced Lewis to include more stuff about Mulder, Zito and Hudson. Their job was to publish a readable book that would sell. And they succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams. It was Lewis' job -- as a journalist -- to tell the story fairly and accurately. Apologies for saying this, because I can't without coming across as a dick, but to assume otherwise is to not really grasp how the book industry works.
     
  4. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Precisely.
     
  5. JR

    JR Well-Known Member

    Agree entirely.

    It also may be the editors knew dick about baseball.

    There's also the fact that the editing process in book publishing, as knew it fifteen or twenty years ago, doesn't exist in a lot of houses any more.
     
  6. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    My experience is in another subfield of publishing, so I admit I don't "grasp" how an omission of reality works in the mainstream book industry that you find useful.
     
  7. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    By using the word "useful," you're mistaking information for endorsement, it seems.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    He was not writing a comprehensive report on the Oakland A's organization. He was constructing an argument. He succeeded wildly.
     
  9. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Easy to win an argument when you set up one side to be a mix of incompetent twits and people lacking creative capacity.
     
  10. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Which is, I agree, what he did. But he did it in an incredibly well-written way. That's what Michael Lewis does. I don't really believe that Icelanders are simpleton fishermen or that all German's have poop fetishes, either.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    That's how he framed it. He didn't lie. He framed facts to paint the picture he wanted you to see.
     
  12. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Then don't call it a truthful piece of work. It lacks honesty.
     
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