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Money Ball the movie

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MankyJimy, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I was listening to the Slate spoiler podcast on this movie this week, and critic Dana Stevens raised a point that I thought was interesting. She said that one reason she can't get into sports movies - and, I think, sports in general - is that she doesn't feel like the stakes are sufficiently high. Because, after all, "It's just a game." I've gone back and forth since then thinking about whether that criticism is valid or not. Most sports movies I can think of overcome that by attaching stakes beyond just winning the big game:

    * "The Natural" - The Wilford Brimsley character is out if the Knights lose the pennant, but gets to force the owner out if they do win it.

    * "Major League" - Similar.

    * "Hoosiers" - Redemption for several people, most of all Hackman and Hopper's characters.

    * "Rudy" - Nothing to do with winning or losing a game. Perhaps Stevens would say that Rudy getting into the game is "just a game" and those stakes aren't that high? But the stakes were high because of how much time he put in to fulfill the dream.

    * "Blind Side" - Sucks, but no big game.

    * "Remember the Titans" - Big game.

    * "A League of Their Own" - Big game, right?

    Of all of these, "Moneyball" seems to be the movie with the least at stake, although I guess if you are watching without a background in the real story, you think that Billy Beane was in danger of being fired.
     
  2. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    The stakes are not high enough? Sports should take a page out of Vince McMahon's book, make it loser of the elimination games in the postseason must retire.
     
  3. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Dana might be my favorite movie critic, but I find that argument absurd.
     
  4. BB Bobcat

    BB Bobcat Active Member

    By the way, I saw Dolphin Tale tonight with the wife and kids. I bet they are all up in arms over at dolphintrainers.com.

    Seriously, I liked the movie even though I could tell that some of the parts of the story were clearly embellished from the real thing.

    (Do I have to turn in my Man Card now? If you see the movie, you'll understand.)
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it seems like quite a straw man. Like I posted, sports movie directors go to great pains to make sure that there is more at stake than winning and losing a game.

    I like her a lot, too. She's my second stop after Ebert. But she can really misfire sometimes with some of her off-the-wall thinking (maybe that's why I like her so much - kindred spirits). She wrote a review of "Hall Pass" that was a feminist screed, including a paragraph or two wondering why the men chased women around but then were "scared of vaginas" when it came to oral sex. She couldn't square that.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Saw a story this week that, leading into the weekend, "Moneyball" has grossed $49 million. By the end of the weekend, it will surpass "Major League," "Angels in the Outfield," "Bull Durham," and "Rookie of the Year," for the No. 5 spot all-time for baseball movies. I suspect that by the time it's done, it will pass up "The Rookie" ($75 million) for No. 2, and challenge "A League of Their Own" ($107 million) for the top spot, particularly if it bags some Oscar nominations and can stay in the theater that long.

    You'd have to say that it has been a hit by every definition of the word so far. I know business schools study the book as part of the curriculum. Marketing schools should study the movie.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Is that inflation-adjusted?
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    No, I don't think the box-office figures usually are. I wish they did butts-in-the-seats instead, like sports attendance figures do.
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Inflation-adjusted, according to a calculator I used on the Internet, "A League of Their Own" would gross $164m today. The article itself says $204m:

    http://www.indiewire.com/article/heres_the_top_grossing_baseball_movies_in_honor_of_moneyball/
     
  10. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Wait, what?

    Like the Marlins' official attendance of "18,942" per game this year? There's not a single sports team in this country that uses butts in the seats.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Sorry. I meant tickets sold. Or, theoretically, butts in the seats. Meaning that I wish movies were judged on attendance rather than box office.
     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Adjusting for inflation* - because "box office" is pretty imprecise - 'Moneyball' is ninth on that list.



    *(online calculator)
     
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