Most overrated baseball player of all time

I think Gooden's 1985 or even Hershiser's 1988 can singularly be put next to the multi-year runs put together by Martinez and Maddux.

 

Best season doesn't make a difference. Career as a whole is what I care about in defining an "all-time great" And saying 19 no-hitters would be virtually meaningless cuts into your cred more than the Belinsky thing does.

 

I'm saying that's a big part of the discussion.
And 5,714 strikeouts, and no one is closer than 1,197 of that.
And how feared he was on the mound.
He's definitely in the top 10.

 

You guys are absolutely on crack. Captain of the Yankees, more clutch hits than the Babe, the superstar of the dynasty. The guy was a first ballot Hall of Famer before his 28th birthday.

His teammate, Pay-Rod, on the other hand ...

 

Beauty, Left.

 

Stats should not be an indicator to Hall of Fame status. Thank God it isn't, or we'd be talking about Fred McGriff and Rafael Palmiero and John Franco.

But intangibles are sometimes forgotten. Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell should be shoo-ins, but often they're not even mentioned in discussions.

 

Overrated singles hitter with limited range.

He had some clutch hits, but not that many proportionately with how many games the Yankees have played in the postseason.

A-Rod kicks his ass in every way possible.

 

Under what reasonable standard for an entire career is Greg Maddux not better than Nolan Ryan?

More wins? Check 325-324
Better ERA? Check 3.01-3.19
Better WHIP? Check 1.13-1.24
Better K/BB ratio? Check 3.36-2.04
Cy Youngs? Check 4-0

But because Maddux has never captured our imagination with some magical performance but instead decided to help his team by pitching consistently great throughout the majority of his career he isn't the equal to Don Sutton with a blazing fastball?

 

Barry Sanders went to the playoffs five times in 10 years.

 

No, baseball stat geeks are not overwhelmed by pitching wins. I've argued before that individual wins are a fairly meaningless stat because it is dependent on offense (for micro examples, ask Harvey Haddix). You must not hang out with a lot of sabermetrics guys if you think that.

 

Maddux has been in the automatic-out NL for his whole career.

That is at least a quarter-run.

At least.

 

yep, it was all barry that's why he is one of the all-time greats. or were his team's better than we like believe?