My favorite female columnist brings the funk today....

outofplace · Dec 27, 2006

DyePack said:

henryhecht said:

JBHawkEye said:

henryhecht said:

sportschick said:

For the record, Hnida has said that she did not go to the hospital after the rape and that, like many women, showered almost immediately, destroying any evidencet that have existed.

There is no evidence. It would strictly be a he said, she said thing. And it's doubtful that even in civil court he would be found liable.

I think her coming out, saying "this happened to me and I didn't let it ruin my life" makes a magnificent statement to other women. I don't expect those of you who haven't been assaulted to understand why that is. You've haven't been in our shoes. You haven't had to spend years in therapy before you came to understand that it wasn't your fault.

Getting women to come forward and press charges isn't going to happen as long as the enormous social stigma remains attached to the rape victim. As long as there are people who refuse to believe a woman when she says she was raped (and there are plenty of people on this board who think Hnida is lying, they've told me as much) or who blame a woman when she does get raped, women aren't going to want to press charges.

You want women to seek justice against rapists, work to change society. When somebody says she deserved it or she asked for it, call them on it. Tell them that NOBODY asks to be raped. That it's the attacker's fault, not the victim's. Believe women when they come forward and tell their story. Don't tell people, "Oh, she's just doing it for attention." If you want change, start with yourself.
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those men who don't believe women are the same ones who, in general, vote red. it's part of a syndrome of reactionary attitudes and behavior. let's face it, the red states had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era.
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Henry. I live in a red state (well, sometimes red, sometimes blue), vote red, and I believe Katie Hnida.

Oh, and one of my best friends was raped by a neighbor when she was in high school, and I believe her.

Be careful when you paint with a broad brush.
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generalizations never are bulletproof. obviously every male voting red does not cling to backward attitudes toward women. but the majority do - probably the vast majority. politics is about power and control. when males discredit female claims of rape, and when males oppose women's right to choose - it is about power and control, i.e, it is a political act. The GOP's power (such as it is) derives largely from men seeking to keep women in subordinate roles. all the "traditional america" stuff the GOP spews, and which the evangelicals embrace, is based on an old-fashioned model of subordinate women, supposedly straight from the scriptures. You could conjecture that most of the criticism of jemele hill on this site is, fundamentally, political in nature.
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I could conjecture that you're an idiot.
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Wow, DyePack and I agree on something.

sportschick · Dec 27, 2006

outofplace said:

DyePack said:

henryhecht said:

JBHawkEye said:

henryhecht said:

sportschick said:

For the record, Hnida has said that she did not go to the hospital after the rape and that, like many women, showered almost immediately, destroying any evidencet that have existed.

There is no evidence. It would strictly be a he said, she said thing. And it's doubtful that even in civil court he would be found liable.

I think her coming out, saying "this happened to me and I didn't let it ruin my life" makes a magnificent statement to other women. I don't expect those of you who haven't been assaulted to understand why that is. You've haven't been in our shoes. You haven't had to spend years in therapy before you came to understand that it wasn't your fault.

Getting women to come forward and press charges isn't going to happen as long as the enormous social stigma remains attached to the rape victim. As long as there are people who refuse to believe a woman when she says she was raped (and there are plenty of people on this board who think Hnida is lying, they've told me as much) or who blame a woman when she does get raped, women aren't going to want to press charges.

You want women to seek justice against rapists, work to change society. When somebody says she deserved it or she asked for it, call them on it. Tell them that NOBODY asks to be raped. That it's the attacker's fault, not the victim's. Believe women when they come forward and tell their story. Don't tell people, "Oh, she's just doing it for attention." If you want change, start with yourself.
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those men who don't believe women are the same ones who, in general, vote red. it's part of a syndrome of reactionary attitudes and behavior. let's face it, the red states had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era.
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Henry. I live in a red state (well, sometimes red, sometimes blue), vote red, and I believe Katie Hnida.

Oh, and one of my best friends was raped by a neighbor when she was in high school, and I believe her.

Be careful when you paint with a broad brush.
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generalizations never are bulletproof. obviously every male voting red does not cling to backward attitudes toward women. but the majority do - probably the vast majority. politics is about power and control. when males discredit female claims of rape, and when males oppose women's right to choose - it is about power and control, i.e, it is a political act. The GOP's power (such as it is) derives largely from men seeking to keep women in subordinate roles. all the "traditional america" stuff the GOP spews, and which the evangelicals embrace, is based on an old-fashioned model of subordinate women, supposedly straight from the scriptures. You could conjecture that most of the criticism of jemele hill on this site is, fundamentally, political in nature.
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I could conjecture that you're an idiot.
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Wow, DyePack and I agree on something.
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Shit OoP, you, Dye and I agree. I'm sure hell has frozen over and the Earth is about to stop spinning because the end times are nigh.

outofplace · Dec 28, 2006

sportschick said:

outofplace said:

DyePack said:

henryhecht said:

JBHawkEye said:

henryhecht said:

sportschick said:

For the record, Hnida has said that she did not go to the hospital after the rape and that, like many women, showered almost immediately, destroying any evidencet that have existed.

There is no evidence. It would strictly be a he said, she said thing. And it's doubtful that even in civil court he would be found liable.

I think her coming out, saying "this happened to me and I didn't let it ruin my life" makes a magnificent statement to other women. I don't expect those of you who haven't been assaulted to understand why that is. You've haven't been in our shoes. You haven't had to spend years in therapy before you came to understand that it wasn't your fault.

Getting women to come forward and press charges isn't going to happen as long as the enormous social stigma remains attached to the rape victim. As long as there are people who refuse to believe a woman when she says she was raped (and there are plenty of people on this board who think Hnida is lying, they've told me as much) or who blame a woman when she does get raped, women aren't going to want to press charges.

You want women to seek justice against rapists, work to change society. When somebody says she deserved it or she asked for it, call them on it. Tell them that NOBODY asks to be raped. That it's the attacker's fault, not the victim's. Believe women when they come forward and tell their story. Don't tell people, "Oh, she's just doing it for attention." If you want change, start with yourself.
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those men who don't believe women are the same ones who, in general, vote red. it's part of a syndrome of reactionary attitudes and behavior. let's face it, the red states had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era.
Click to expand...

Henry. I live in a red state (well, sometimes red, sometimes blue), vote red, and I believe Katie Hnida.

Oh, and one of my best friends was raped by a neighbor when she was in high school, and I believe her.

Be careful when you paint with a broad brush.
Click to expand...

generalizations never are bulletproof. obviously every male voting red does not cling to backward attitudes toward women. but the majority do - probably the vast majority. politics is about power and control. when males discredit female claims of rape, and when males oppose women's right to choose - it is about power and control, i.e, it is a political act. The GOP's power (such as it is) derives largely from men seeking to keep women in subordinate roles. all the "traditional america" stuff the GOP spews, and which the evangelicals embrace, is based on an old-fashioned model of subordinate women, supposedly straight from the scriptures. You could conjecture that most of the criticism of jemele hill on this site is, fundamentally, political in nature.
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I could conjecture that you're an idiot.
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Wow, DyePack and I agree on something.
Click to expand...

Shit OoP, you, Dye and I agree. I'm sure hell has frozen over and the Earth is about to stop spinning because the end times are nigh.
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Don't worry. I think it is at least slightly different aspects of the post that we disagree with. It is ridiculous on many levels.

henryhenry · Dec 28, 2006

outofplace said:

sportschick said:

outofplace said:

DyePack said:

henryhecht said:

JBHawkEye said:

henryhecht said:

sportschick said:

For the record, Hnida has said that she did not go to the hospital after the rape and that, like many women, showered almost immediately, destroying any evidencet that have existed.

There is no evidence. It would strictly be a he said, she said thing. And it's doubtful that even in civil court he would be found liable.

I think her coming out, saying "this happened to me and I didn't let it ruin my life" makes a magnificent statement to other women. I don't expect those of you who haven't been assaulted to understand why that is. You've haven't been in our shoes. You haven't had to spend years in therapy before you came to understand that it wasn't your fault.

Getting women to come forward and press charges isn't going to happen as long as the enormous social stigma remains attached to the rape victim. As long as there are people who refuse to believe a woman when she says she was raped (and there are plenty of people on this board who think Hnida is lying, they've told me as much) or who blame a woman when she does get raped, women aren't going to want to press charges.

You want women to seek justice against rapists, work to change society. When somebody says she deserved it or she asked for it, call them on it. Tell them that NOBODY asks to be raped. That it's the attacker's fault, not the victim's. Believe women when they come forward and tell their story. Don't tell people, "Oh, she's just doing it for attention." If you want change, start with yourself.
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those men who don't believe women are the same ones who, in general, vote red. it's part of a syndrome of reactionary attitudes and behavior. let's face it, the red states had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era.
Click to expand...

Henry. I live in a red state (well, sometimes red, sometimes blue), vote red, and I believe Katie Hnida.

Oh, and one of my best friends was raped by a neighbor when she was in high school, and I believe her.

Be careful when you paint with a broad brush.
Click to expand...

generalizations never are bulletproof. obviously every male voting red does not cling to backward attitudes toward women. but the majority do - probably the vast majority. politics is about power and control. when males discredit female claims of rape, and when males oppose women's right to choose - it is about power and control, i.e, it is a political act. The GOP's power (such as it is) derives largely from men seeking to keep women in subordinate roles. all the "traditional america" stuff the GOP spews, and which the evangelicals embrace, is based on an old-fashioned model of subordinate women, supposedly straight from the scriptures. You could conjecture that most of the criticism of jemele hill on this site is, fundamentally, political in nature.
Click to expand...

I could conjecture that you're an idiot.
Click to expand...

Wow, DyePack and I agree on something.
Click to expand...

Shit OoP, you, Dye and I agree. I'm sure hell has frozen over and the Earth is about to stop spinning because the end times are nigh.
Click to expand...

Don't worry. I think it is at least slightly different aspects of the post that we disagree with. It is ridiculous on many levels.
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your refutations are brilliant. articulate. logical. well-argued.
you must be right.

outofplace · Dec 28, 2006

henryhecht said:

outofplace said:

sportschick said:

outofplace said:

DyePack said:

henryhecht said:

JBHawkEye said:

henryhecht said:

sportschick said:

For the record, Hnida has said that she did not go to the hospital after the rape and that, like many women, showered almost immediately, destroying any evidencet that have existed.

There is no evidence. It would strictly be a he said, she said thing. And it's doubtful that even in civil court he would be found liable.

I think her coming out, saying "this happened to me and I didn't let it ruin my life" makes a magnificent statement to other women. I don't expect those of you who haven't been assaulted to understand why that is. You've haven't been in our shoes. You haven't had to spend years in therapy before you came to understand that it wasn't your fault.

Getting women to come forward and press charges isn't going to happen as long as the enormous social stigma remains attached to the rape victim. As long as there are people who refuse to believe a woman when she says she was raped (and there are plenty of people on this board who think Hnida is lying, they've told me as much) or who blame a woman when she does get raped, women aren't going to want to press charges.

You want women to seek justice against rapists, work to change society. When somebody says she deserved it or she asked for it, call them on it. Tell them that NOBODY asks to be raped. That it's the attacker's fault, not the victim's. Believe women when they come forward and tell their story. Don't tell people, "Oh, she's just doing it for attention." If you want change, start with yourself.
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those men who don't believe women are the same ones who, in general, vote red. it's part of a syndrome of reactionary attitudes and behavior. let's face it, the red states had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the civil rights era.
Click to expand...

Henry. I live in a red state (well, sometimes red, sometimes blue), vote red, and I believe Katie Hnida.

Oh, and one of my best friends was raped by a neighbor when she was in high school, and I believe her.

Be careful when you paint with a broad brush.
Click to expand...

generalizations never are bulletproof. obviously every male voting red does not cling to backward attitudes toward women. but the majority do - probably the vast majority. politics is about power and control. when males discredit female claims of rape, and when males oppose women's right to choose - it is about power and control, i.e, it is a political act. The GOP's power (such as it is) derives largely from men seeking to keep women in subordinate roles. all the "traditional america" stuff the GOP spews, and which the evangelicals embrace, is based on an old-fashioned model of subordinate women, supposedly straight from the scriptures. You could conjecture that most of the criticism of jemele hill on this site is, fundamentally, political in nature.
Click to expand...

I could conjecture that you're an idiot.
Click to expand...

Wow, DyePack and I agree on something.
Click to expand...

Shit OoP, you, Dye and I agree. I'm sure hell has frozen over and the Earth is about to stop spinning because the end times are nigh.
Click to expand...

Don't worry. I think it is at least slightly different aspects of the post that we disagree with. It is ridiculous on many levels.
Click to expand...

your refutations are brilliant. articulate. logical. well-argued.
you must be right.
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Some things, such as the post we disagreed with, are just too stupid to argue with.

And we are right. You just lack the capacity to realize it.

sportswriter not a junky · Dec 28, 2006

Henry, you're overlooking something.

It's not just women that men who vote red are trying to keep down. It's blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern people and other minorities races. It's poor people. Immigrants. Mentally challenged people. Elderly. It's everyone they possibly can, because they need all the ego-boosting opportunities they can get to raise their self-esteem and boost their disgustingly bad case of inferiority complex. It's either that, or they're either (A) simply dumb and naive and falling for the Republican campaigning that anyone with half a brain can figure out are blatant lies, (B) smart, educated, intelligent, ambitious and flat out evil, (C) raised in a family like that and can't break out of the tradition, or (D) a religious fanatic.

Ace · Dec 28, 2006

Most of 'em are just cheap, sw, and don't like to pay taxes.

henryhenry · Dec 28, 2006

sportswriter said:

Henry, you're overlooking something.

It's not just women that men who vote red are trying to keep down. It's blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern people and other minorities races. It's poor people. Immigrants. Mentally challenged people. Elderly. It's everyone they possibly can, because they need all the ego-boosting opportunities they can get to raise their self-esteem and boost their disgustingly bad case of inferiority complex. It's either that, or they're either (A) simply dumb and naive and falling for the Republican campaigning that anyone with half a brain can figure out are blatant lies, (B) smart, educated, intelligent, ambitious and flat out evil, (C) raised in a family like that and can't break out of the tradition, or (D) a religious fanatic.
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finally, a thinking person. the nitwits who preceded you can reduce arguments to ad hominem attacks, i.e, archie bunker dyepack - but they can't explain away why the red states consistenly vote against women, gays, people of color, and almost anything modern and progressive. if someone can't make the simple connection between katie hnida, and the almost irrational hostility to jemele hill on this site, and the hate-mongering politics of karl rove - they haven't been reading frank rich in the sunday times. and they haven't connected the dots.

sportschick · Dec 28, 2006

OK, now that this had devolved into political nonsense, perhaps we should move it to the anything goes board?

sportswriter not a junky · Dec 28, 2006

Ace said:

Most of 'em are just cheap, sw, and don't like to pay taxes.
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That's fits under my option A. The campaigners make them think with taxes, they're giving their money to other people and can't benefit themselves. Of course, with the current administration, that's pretty much true.

(A) simply dumb and naive and falling for the Republican campaigning that anyone with half a brain can figure out are blatant lies

Ace · Dec 28, 2006

The thing I hate most about red state men is they make blanket assumptions about groups of people based on color, race, sex or even color of their state.

sportschick · Dec 28, 2006

Ace, times like these I so think you could work for the Plain-Dealer, dammit!

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